DAILY ABC Court News Tweets (from the courtroom updated all day long)

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~ Update by MJ Mod 7/2/2013 ~

Due to the enormous amount of time that is spent by both Admin and myself working on the court transcripts, WeAreTheWorld. will now be taking over both the ABC tweets and the Anthony McCartney tweets.

These are the jury questionairre questions being tweeted along with courtroom updates-from https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts

NOTE:THE MOST RECENT POST IS THE MOST RECENT TWEET

4/2/13 Tweets

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Question: would you find it difficult to award $0 damages to plaintiffs who sued for the death of a family member, even if failed to prove?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Question: wound it be difficult to award multi millions of dollars to plaintiffs who sued for the death of a family member?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Questionnaire: do you have any negative feelings about people who bring lawsuits for monetary damages? Should there be limits on the award?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Questionnaire asks if juror has declared bankruptcy or had major financial problems. It asks about if he person ever felt harassed at work.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Then questionnaire goes into social media, asking if the person has Facebook or twitter. Next is point of view, from conservative to liberal

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Questionnaire asks if juror follows the news and, if so, from where (TV, Internet, radio, etc) It asks if the person has ever written a blog

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21m Questionnaire asks if juror knows any judges, attorneys, court personnel. Also, it asks about medical conditions and if he/she was ever sued

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m Jury questionnaire begins with personal questions: name, date of birth, residency, level of education, employment, jury experience.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 28m Here's a picture of the front page of the jury questionnaire. pic.twitter.com/wO89TLLgPc

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h After jurors are qualified based on time, they'll be given a questionnaire. First questions are personal: residency area, level of education

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Everyone now excused for lunch break. We'll be back at 1:30 pm.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h This part of jury selection is just excuse for hardship, which means excuse the people who can't serve on a trial for 90 days.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Attorneys talking to the judge and telling her which jurors they want to jointly dismiss and the ones they want to question further.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Before I forget, kudos to Judge Palazuelos and her staff for being very friendly to everyone present, whether media rep or public members!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h The lengthy questionnaire has 25 pages and 123 questions. I'm going over the doc now and will tweet the most relevant questions.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h @Honeytania You're very welcome! Let us know if you have any questions!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Some Michael Jackson fans are in the courtroom as well. Jury selection has been moved to a bigger courtroom to accommodate everyone.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Attys for all sides are now looking at the answers provided by the jurors. Once they are qualified for time, they'll answer a questionnaire.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h We'll be covering the trial daily and will tweet as much as possible. Judge has denied live tweeting, but that's still under discussion.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Judge said trial will be Mon-Thu from 9:30 am to noon, 1:30 pm to 4:00/4:30 pm and Fridays 9:00 am to noon, 2:30 to 4:00/4;30 pm.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h First panel of 35 jurors have been ordered to return at 1:30p to discuss their answer to whether they can serve 90 days.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Judge told potential jurors that trial is estimated to last 90 days. Then, judge asked them to answer whether they can serve that long.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h One panel with 35 potential jurors came into the courtroom to begin the jury selection process. Judge read a statement of the case to them.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h We are told Katherine Jackson plans to attend the entire trial, but won't be present until opening statements are set to begin.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Judge Yvette Palazuelos, who's presiding over the trial, took camera request under submission and will rule on it before opening statement.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Marvin Putnam, attorney for AEG, argued against camera, saying it could interfere with the due process and intimidate witnesses.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Brian Panish, atty for Katherine Jackson and the children, argued in favor of cameras. "All we ask is that the truth be seen by everyone."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h First on the agenda was a motion brought by the media to ask the judge to allow the trial to be televised, just like in Murray trial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Good morning everyone. Today the civil trial in the wrongful death of Michael Jackson begins. Katherine Jackson and the kids are suing AEG.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h HEADS UP: Starting tomorrow, we'll be live tweeting the Jackson lawsuit against promoter AEG in the death of Michael Jackson

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by WeAreTheWorld. Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:35 pm

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"Dr. Murray said he had told me he had been MJ's physician for a period of time," Jorrie expressed.
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Jorrie said she was asked by the general counsel to see if she could ask Dr. Murray for the medical history for insurance purpose.
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The attorney told the jury once the contract is fully executed, she saves it "fully executed."
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Jorrie explained it's her practice to save doc as "final pdf version." She said it is a personal indicator that the final version was sent.
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Jorrie said she also attached a comparison doc with the redlines marking the changes she made for easier understanding.
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She then sent email to Wooley asking him to forward the contract to Murray.
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Jorrie testified she did the medical license check on June 18, 2009. She said she sent the draft to Dr. Murray, but the email bounced back.
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"There was no disciplinary action against Dr. Murray," Jorrie said. She checked in California, Nevada, Texas and Hawaii.
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Jorrie said it was very easy to check the medical licenses. She went on the Medical Board websites and checked his licenses in all.
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Jorrie testified GCA was a proper company and Dr. Murray was the manager of it. She added the address on the contract and Dr. Murray's title
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Jorrie said she checked the medical boards Dr. Murray told her he was licenses and googled the doctor.
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The attorney said she went to the Nevada Secretary of State to check if GCA Holdings, LLC was indeed a valid company.
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Jorrie said she took the information she got from Dr. Murray, went online and checked it out.
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Jorrie: Our conversation concerned London, he said he needed one (CPR machine) in London.
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Contract said "producer to provide medical equipment portable CPR, saline, catheter, needles, gurney and other mutually approved equipment."
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Jorrie recalled there was other equipments on the list, normally for dehydration purposes, like saline and catheter.
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"Giving Michael's age, giving his age, and that he puts on a strenuous performance, he just didn't want to take a chance," Jorrie said.
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Jorrie asked if O2 arena didn't have one. He said he didn't want to take risks, wanted one at hand. He also told her it's customary.
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Jorrie: I asked Dr. Murray, why do you need a CPR machine? He said he needed one in London, MJ puts on a strenuous performance.
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Jorrie said she asked Murray about the CPR machine. The doctor provided a list of equipment he needed to Wooley, who in turn sent to Jorrie.
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"He thought it would be fair and appropriate due to him leaving his established medical practice," Jorrie explained.
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Jorrie: He had asked to be able to retain the full payment for the month he received.
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Jorrie explained that provision 7.7 detailed what happened if there was a termination. Dr. Murray asked her to limit that provision.
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Jorrie: Murray said under no circumstances he was leaving his practice if when terminated he couldn't keep the whole 150,000 received.
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Jorrie said Dr. Murray told her he had 4 medical practices making a million dollar a month, and it was not fair to have to return money.
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Jorrie: My response: Dr. Murray, $150,000/month is a lot of money!
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Payment was due to him on the 15th of the month to cover from 1st-30th. If he were terminated on the 20th, he wanted to keep full payment.
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As a result, he would not want to be in a position he would have to refund any part of his payment.
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Dr. Murray wanted to modify section 7.7, termination either because MJ decided he didn't want him anymore or the concert canceled.
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The first payment was to be no later than 5 days after contracted was fully signed by everybody, including Michael Jackson.
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The attorney said Dr. Murray told her he was licensed to practice medicine in California, Nevada, Texas and Hawaii.
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Jorrie said ultimately she made the changes. Dr. Murray was the one who would identify who this medical person would be, but never did.
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Jorrie said Dr. Murray wanted to have the flexibility to have someone on stand by, payable for by AEG Live.
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Jorrie: I asked why you needed another physician as opposed to a nurse. He told me in case he was unavailable or tired.
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Jorrie said that it was okay but she wanted Dr. Murray on the contract also.
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Jorrie: Dr. Murray told me he preferred to have GCA Holding as contracting party and he as employee of the company.
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Jorrie: He also let me know he was license to practice medicine in 4 states and gave me the states.
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Another change requested was to provision 7.7 regarding termination, Jorrie said.
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Jorrie explained Dr. Murray said he wanted flexibility to have a "qualified assistant medical person," who could be another physician.
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Dr. Murray also wanted to change provision where Jorrie referred to nurse.
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Jorrie: The changes he mentioned to me during the call, he wanted his company GCA Holdings to be the contracting party instead of him.
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The attorney said the conversation about Dr. Murray and MJ relationship did not result in any change to the contract.
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Jorrie said Murray called her on 6/18/09:
1- Murray and MJ relationship
2- Some of changes he wanted made
3- Couple of questions Jorrie had
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Jorrie said she believes she sent the email to Wooley/Dr. Murray on June 15. She testified she never received any documents from Dr. Murray.
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Termination:
6- no later than July 3rd, evidence he was allowed to practice medicine in the UK
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Termination:
5- failed to submit written evidence that he was legally authorized to practice medicine in US
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Termination:
3- if artist decided he no longer wanted or needed Murray
4- failed to maintain all licenses and approval to practice medicine
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Termination:
1- in event there was a default of the agreement by the doctor
2- in the event series of concerts postponed or canceled
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Jorrie explained the Termination provision that allowed AEG to terminate the contract with Dr. Murray.
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Jorrie said Recital A, Paragraph 9 and wording above MJ's signature explained Dr. Murray was hired on behalf of Michael Jackson.
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Jorrie said this provision was included in the 1st draft. She said Murray had no comment regarding the first 2 provisions of the contract.
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She said she added a line for MJ's signature at the end of the document.
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Jorrie said she included in the contract "Artist Consent," saying the contract was not enforceable unless and until MJ signed the agreement.
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The attorney said Wooley told her that Michael Jackson had asked Dr. Murray to go on tour with him and that MJ would pay for it.
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Jorrie added "services to be provided by Dr. Murray administer those services professionally and greatest degree of care expected."
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At Wooley's request, she included that Dr. Murray was MJ's personal physician and had been for some time.
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Jorrie said the "Scope of Services" was a mix between what Wooley requested and her additions.
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Jorrie explained she worked off the base contract and included a bunch of other provisions to the agreement.
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Jorrie said there were 2 more drafts after the first. She said she looked at other AEG agreement contracts she had prepared AEG as template.
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Jorrie said she sent the draft to Wooley and if he was happy with it to forward it to Dr. Murray.
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Jorrie said she included other important terms:
- End date to be end of O2 arena in Sept. 2009
- Termination provision
- Indemnity
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Jorrie said he did not say what ended point would be. She put all the terms in the first draft agreement, but most details were missing.
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Wooley said Dr. Murray wanted personal insurance in case he got sick. The payment to commence as of May 1, 2009.
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Also, the doctor and family would be provided housing in London.
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Jorrie said nurse would be provided as selected by Dr. Murray and paid for by AEG Live. The doctor would have the air fare to/from London.
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In addition to providing medical care, Dr. Murray would be on call for emergencies, Jorrie explained.
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Jorrie: He told me that MJ had agreed to pay $150,000 per month for Dr. Murray, that Dr. Murray was MJ's personal physician.
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The attorney never talked to Murray before drawing the first draft. Initial draft was based on basic terms Wooley provided her, Jorrie said.
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Jorrie said, to her best recollection, she received a call from Timm Wooley to help prepare an agreement for Dr. Murra in late May of 2009.
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"I drafted the version that was sent to Mr. Wooley, who provided my draft agreement to Dr. Murray," Jorrie explained.
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Jorrie also did the contract for Dr. Conrad Murray that Michael Jackson requested.
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Jorrie worked on third party agreements for "This Is It" tour. She worked on deal with Bravado for merchandising, negotiated stage.
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Over the years, Jorrie said Trell asked her to help negotiate agreements with vendors. She said she normally works on big agreements.
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The attorney said she worked on more than 75 tour agreements with prominent artists, Rolling Stones, Bon Jovi, Britney Spears, Kanye West.
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Jorrie said she works with AEG Live and AEG in their live entertainment business. She deals with Shawn Trell (who testified earlier on.)
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She also works with movie distributors, satellite providers, live entertainment promoters, etc.
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The focus of her clients has been the entertainment business. Her clients involve motion pictures studios, television content producers.
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Jorrie said she splits her work between being a trial litigator and transactional work, one who deals with contracts.
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Jorrie is a partner at a law firm, works in Los Angeles. Her firm is an international company with close to 80 attorneys in the LA office.
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Jorrie said she's in the business for 20 years. She did undergraduate at UCLA and got JD degree at Hastings College of Law.
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Attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina did direct examination.
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Jury entered the courtroom at 11:09 am PT. AEG called Kathleen Ann Jorrie, an attorney who works at a private firm and does work for AEG.
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Jorrie is a lawyer who works for AEG and put together Murray's contract. Both sides argued extensively regarding attorney-client privilege.
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Judge Yvette Palazuelos and attorneys spent more than 1 hour and 15 mins this morning discussing boundaries for next witness, Kathy Jorrie.
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Katherine Jackson is present in court, wearing a purple jacket with black flowers on it.
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Hello from the courthouse in downtwon LA. Day 63 of Jackson family vs AEG trial, Week 15 underway

by WeAreTheWorld. Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:36 pm

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Upcoming Witnesses:
Kathy Jorrie -- tomorrow
Kenny Ortega
Debbie Rowe

Judge said Ortega all day Thursday & Friday. Rowe next week.
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Judge adjourned session until tomorrow at 9:30 am PT. Jorrie will be back on the stand to resume cross examination.
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"I spoke with him about the tour agreement and how it would work," Jorrie testified.
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Jorrie: Dr. Murray had 4 practices, I told one million dollars a year and they added up to 12 million.
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Panish: Did you say one million dollar a month?
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"I said that he told me that his 4 medical practices brought in more than a million dollars a year," Jorrie said.
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Panish: Did you tell the police department Dr. Murray took in $12 million a year?
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Jorrie said she did not bill for the time she testified at deposition.
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"He would've been mistaken, Mr. Panish," Jorrie said. "Because he misunderstood what I was saying about the tour.".
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Panish asked if Detective Schmidt is called to testified and said Jorrie told him about MJ going on a worldwide tour, if that's a lie.
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Panish: You denied making that statement?
Jorrie: Yes. Not like that.
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Panish: Did Mr. Putnam tell LAPD MJ was going to do a world tour for 3 to 5 years?
Jorrie: No.
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Panish: Did you tell LAPD that MJ was going on a worldwide tour after European leg was over?
Jorrie: No.
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"That's not my statement and I don't recall that," Jorrie testified.
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Panish: Did you say European tour was just the beginning and MJ would be making a worldwide tout?
Jorrie: Not that I recall.
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Panish: Did you tell LAPD the that MJ was going on a world tour?
Jorrie: No.
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Panish: Did you go meet with LAPD and discussed MJ going to go on a worldwide tour?
Jorrie: No, they came to my office, asked questions.
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Putnam was present when Jorrie spoke with LAPD after Michael Jackson's death.
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Panish: You knew MJ was going on a 3-5 years worldwide tour, correct?
Jorrie: That's not correct.
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Panish: How many multi-million dollars has your company been paid?
Jorrie: It could be over $5 million for that period of time (since 2000).
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Jorrie: For all of those matters, for 12 years, it would be millions of dollars.
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Judge: Was the case dismissed?
Panish: Yes
Judge: Then it's not stealing. Please refrain from using that word. Describe it accurately.
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Bina objected, saying the lawsuit was dismissed and Panish was trying to tarnish Gongaware and Meglen's reputation.
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Panish said Paul Gongaware and John Meglen were sued for stealing the name Concerts West.
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Jorrie said she can have her accounting department put together a spreadsheet with all she has billed AEG.
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Jorrie: Of all matters related to This Is It?
Panish: Yes. More than 20 million?
J: Of course not
P: 10 million?
J: No
P: 5 million?
J: No
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Jorrie asked if it included litigation. Panish said yes.
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Panish: How much have you billed AEG related to the "This Is It" project?
Jolie: Work started in October 2008.
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Jorrie charges AEG $595 per hour. She said she's not billing AEG for the testimony today.
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Jorrie said she has it in her office. Panish asked to see it, she said she can provide it, redacting the name of the third party.
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Panish asked if Jorrie brought the contract she used as basis for drafting Dr. Murray's contract.
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Panish: Have you ever paid an expert $700,000?
Jorrie: I have not.
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Panish asked if Jorrie hires expert witnesses. She said yes. He inquired if professionals keep itemization. She said yes.
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Panish: Professionals keep itemization of the work they do, don't they?
Jorrie said she keeps tabs of the work she does.
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"I'm aware that Mr. Gongaware was sued one time, but I want to be absolutely certain," Jorrie said.
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"I'd like to think all my clients are my friends, Mr. Panish," Jorrie explained. "They are business friends."
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Panish inquired if Jorrie is friends with Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware.
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Panish asked if her company has received millions and millions of dollar from AEG. She said since 2000, yes.
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Panish: Are you being paid for the work you've done in this case?
Jorrie: I'm not being paid as I sit here today.
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In cross examination, Panish asked if Jorrie is an independent witness.
Jorrie: I don't understand the question, Mr. Panish.
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Jorrie emailed Dr. Murray one more time after that related to the insurance for the tour.
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June 23rd - Murray called asking additional changes
June 23rd - third draft sent to Murray
June 24th - Murray signed it and faxed it back
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June 19th -- checked medical license, business standing
June 19th -- spoke with Phillips about it
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Recap:
June 15th -- first draft written, sent to Dr. Murray
June 18th -- negotiation with Dr. Murray began, over the phone
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"Because we're talking about Michael Jackson's physician," Jorrie explained.
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Regarding the reference that AEG hired doctor at request of MJ, Jorrie said she never did this on any other agreement on behalf of AEG.
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"I do not know if Michael Jackson would've signed the agreement," Jorrie testified.
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Jorrie said she put that date since she thought the parties would've signed the contract that day.
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Bina showed the last page of Dr. Murray's agreement. Under the signatures, it is dated June 24, 2009.
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Jorrie said July 3, 2009 was the date Dr. Murray was planning to go to London with Michael Jackson.
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Jorrie testified she discussed with Dr. Murray the requirement for UK medical license either on June 18 or 23.
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Jorrie explained paragraph 4 of the contract, which detailed the responsibilities of GCA/Dr. Murray.
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Bina: Did Dr. Murray ever ask you for payment?
Jorrie: Never.
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Jorrie said she didn't talk to Murray about specific treatment he was giving to MJ. "He didn't tell me anything he was doing to treat MJ."
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Jorrie sent Dr. Murray the last version on June 23rd, Dr. Murray faxed it back on June 24th.
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Jorrie said this is the first third-party vendor agreement she was involved with a medical doctor.
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"Sometimes we enter in agreements the artists never see," Jorrie told the court.
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Judge: How do you know if you don't talk t the artist that the agreement is what the artist's want?
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Jorrie: The reasons is that attorneys for the artist would have the document exactly like they wanted.
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The attorney said she has negotiated with third party vendors before without showing the drafts to the artist.
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Jorrie said neither Michael Jackson nor AEG signed the contract.
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Jorrie: Late in the evening on June 24, I received a fax with a document signed by Dr. Murray. I forwarded a copy to it to Mr. Trell.
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Jorrie explained it was never her understanding that MJ's medical records would have been sent to her but to insurance underwriter.
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Jorrie said she sent 3rd version of the draft to AEG Live. She didn't send it to MJ or his reps, was not in communication with MJ about it.
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Jorrie revised the agreement, emailed to Dr. Murray on 6/23/09: saying 'I have attached a clean pdf version, which is ready for execution.'
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Bina asked if on June 23 Jorrie discussed with Dr. Murray to get MJ's medical history. She said yes.
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Jorrie said if she had seen it, she would've changed it to Artist, not Producer.
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Jorrie: I didn't change it to Artist because Murray didn't draw my attention to that and I didn't remember that language was in there twice.
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Jorrie said provision 4.1 also says "Perform the Services reasonably requested by Producer."
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Jorrie: Murray said we need to change that to Artist, it's the artist who's my patient. I said absolutely right, the artist if your patient.
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1- Scope of Services -- it had language saying perform services reasonably requested by "Producer."
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Jorrie asked if MJ would be paying him even though the tour would be on break. He said yes.

End date changed from Sept, 2009 to March, 2010
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Jorrie: He wanted to extend, by about 5 months, his engagement.
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Judge: I'm going to strike the entire testimony if she keeps interpreting the contract.
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When Bina asked about payment provision, Panish objected to prevent Jorrie from expressing her opinion about the contract.
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Jorrie: He said he was promised that when the agreement was signed he would've been paid retroactively to May 1, 2009.
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First change was the effective date, from June to May 1, 2009, Jorrie said.
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Jorrie: AEG Live has been a consistent client of mine since 2000. Approximately 300 matters have been opened in 12 years.
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"I definitely told him he's very successful in his practice," Jorrie said. "I confirmed he was licensed to practice in 4 states."
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Jorrie testified she told Phillips Murray appeared to be very successful in his practice, may have told him about a million dollar a month.
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It was phone conversation, she relayed Dr. Murray was licensed to practice in 4 states. "I checked out, or confirmed the info," she said.
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Jorrie spoke with Randy Phillips on June 19, 2009 on an unrelated matter and Dr. Murray's subject came up.
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Jorrie said Dr. Murray called her again on June 23, 2009 asking for some more changes.
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Change in 7.7: If there's termination, GCA shall have no obligation to refund any portion of any installation due and payable before.
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Jorrie changed Provision 3.4 at the request of Dr. Murray, from nurse to qualified medical person (assistant).
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GCA would actually provide the services of Dr. Murray, Jorrie said. The $150k would be paid not to Dr. Murray, but to GCA Holdings.
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The attorney said Dr. Murray told her he would help. Jorrie explained she had 3 drafts of Dr. Murray's agreement.
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Jorrie asked that if Dr. Murray was not the right doctor to provide records, if he could please direct her to the appropriate physician.
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Bina: Did you send this email because you believe Dr. Murray was MJ's physician?
Jorrie: Yes.

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Jorrie: I know Dr. Murray was not paid because he was not entitled to be paid.
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Panish argued Jorrie doesn't know what's on the budget, so how does she know the Estate paid what's requested.
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Jorrie: Why would the Estate approve the expenses then, sir?
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"I have never seen a single piece of paper saying Tohme was not an office of the company," Jorrie said.
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Panish asked if Jorrie saw the attached budget. "I never looked at that, that was Paul's job," she answered.
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"I had nothing in writing that said Tohme was an officer of Michael Jackson's company," Jorrie testified.
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Since Jorrie testified she didn't read the document, there is no foundation for her to answer the question. Judge sustained the objection.
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Jorrie said budget was given to her by Gongaware. Panish asked if the budget included payment of $150k/month, times 2 months, for Murray.
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Panish said the document she handed to Tohme has a budget attached to it. Jorrie said she did not review the attached budget.
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"I didn't ask him that question," Jorrie said.

Panish asked if she discussed w/ Branca about Tohme signing the doc. Jorrie said she didn't
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Panish asked if Jorrie inquired John Branca, MJ's attorney, if Tohme was authorized to sign on behalf of Michael Jackson Company, LLC.
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Panish: Did you make any effort to confirm Tohme was an officer of the company? Jorrie said she spoke with Tohme about it.
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Panish: Did you see any document saying Tohme was an agent of Michael Jackson's company?
Jorrie: I had not seen any such documents.
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Jorrie: He confirmed to me, at the meeting, that he was an officer of Michael Jackson's company.
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Panish: You never asked Tohme after MJ died if he was an officer of MJ's company?
Jorrie: That's right.
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3.The undersigned Dr. Tohme Tohme represents he's officer of Artistco, has full authority to act on behalf of Artistco/to sign this document
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1.I hereby confirm that Artistco (MJ) approved the attached budget of expenses which includes Production Costs and Pool Expenses
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Letter from Concerts West to The Michael Jackson Company, LLC Jorrie helped draft, dated June 28, 2009.
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The document, signed by Michael Jackson, terminated Dr. Tohme's representation as his manager.

Jorrie said she does not recall seeing it.
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Panish showed Jorrie a letter from Michael Jackson to Randy Phillips on April 22, 2009.
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The document was prepared by Trell and Jorrie prior to the meeting at Branca's office.
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Panish: And the word "consent" was there?
Jorrie: I'm not sure it was there.
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Panish: And you and Mr. Trell had a document you gave Tohme at the meeting?
Jorrie: Yes.
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Panish: AEG had $27 million out there that they had spent?
Jorrie: That's my understanding.
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Total expense was around $34 million, plus $7.5 million that was pre-approved based on the contract resulted in $27 million outstanding.
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Panish: But you needed someone approved by MJ's company, right?
Jorrie: That's why we had confirmation he was an agent.
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Jorrie said in the meeting they were getting consent from Tohme that production expenses had been approved by MJ's company.
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Panish: Before MJ died you had nothing in writing that MJ was not the sole company officer?
Jorrie: Nothing in writing was provided to me.
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Jorrie received that information from MJ's attorney, Dennis Hawk.
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As of January 2009, Michael Jackson was the sole officer and signatory of Michael Jackson Company, LLC.
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Panish: Who signed the tour agreement on behalf of Michael Jackson's company?
Jorrie: Michael Jackson.
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Jorrie was involved in drafting a consent agreement for Tohme to sign.
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Panish: You never spoke with Michael Jackson, did you?
Jorrie: Not once.
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Panish inquired if Jorrie could've asked MJ directly if Tohme was an officer of his company. She said yes, if she felt it was necessary.
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Panish: Did you look up to see if Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ's LLC?
Jorrie said in Delaware you can't check officers for LLC online.
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During the meeting on June 28, Jorrie said Tohme told her, personally, that he was an officer of Michael Jackson Company, LLC.
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Jorrie said she believed Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ's company prior to June 28, 2009. Paul Gongaware may have been the one telling her.
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Panish: And that day you didn't have anything in writing approving $34 million in expenses?
Jorrie: Correct.
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Panish: On that day you questioned if Dr. Tohme was an officer of Michael Jackson's company?
Jorrie: I did.
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Panish: AEG was out $34-plus million at the time?
Jorrie: I believe so, perhaps more.
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On June 28, 2009, there was a meeting at John Branca's office with all the higher ups for AEG and MJ's representatives.
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Jorrie said she doesn't recall if Weitzman was the first person who told her about Dr. Tohme not representing MJ at one point.
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Frank DiLeo may also have told her, she said. There's also litigation about it as well.
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Jorrie said Howard Weitzman, attorney for Michael Jackson's Estate, told her about Tohme in connection with litigation several years ago.
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The fact that Tohme stopped representing MJ came up and it's in litigation, Jorrie said.
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Panish: Did you ever learn Tohme ceased being MJ's manager?
Jorrie: To my best recollection, that issue came up after Mr. Jackson's passing.
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Jorrie said she sent the contract to Michael Jackson's representatives.
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Jorrie was not allowed to answer, since it calls to interpretation of the contract.
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Panish asked, if under the contract, Michael Jackson was prohibited to tour except if done with AEG.
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The contract says the shows were not to exceed 1 per day and 3.5 shows per 7 days.
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Panish: And the term was Dec 2011 or conclusion of world tour, whichever occur later, right?
Jorrie: That's what it says in the paragraph.
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Panish shows contract of Michael Jackson with AEG.
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Panish: The agreement specified the territory of the tour as the world, correct?
Jorrie: Correct
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Panish: Did you ever see a written agreement for more than 31 shows as stated on the contract?
Jorrie: No, not that I recall.
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Jorrie: I'm not privy to everything, so I don't know.
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Panish: At the time of MJ's death, are you aware of anyone approving production costs in excess of $7.5 million that was in the contract?
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Jorrie said it's actually June 28, 2009, not January as she previously stated. MJ died on June 25, 2009.
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Jorrie: On January 28, Dr. Tohme had provided written approval that MJ company had approved certain production costs.
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Panish: On January 28, Mr. Tohme approved the cost in excess of $7.5 million, correct?
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Dennis Hawk, Tohme Tohme and Michael Jackson's company received a copy of MJ contract with AEG, according to Jorrie's deposition.
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Panish said Jorrie refused to have her deposition videotaped. Jorrie explained she was not properly notified about video deposition.
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The attorney said she was very much involved in drafting Michael Jackson's agreement with AEG.
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Jorrie explained promoters and producers can and do negotiate third party vendors agreement as part of the business.
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Jorrie said background check was not done on Dr. Tohme, at least to her knowledge. She didn't do one.
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Jorrie explained she recommended at minimum that someone meet w/ MJ to make sure he understands he's entering into worldwide tour agreement.
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Panish showed email Jorrie wrote regarding Dr. Tohme and her concerns if he was the "real McCoy."
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Panish: And you recommended that a background check be done on Tohme, right?
Jorrie: As an alternative, yes.
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Panish asked Jorrie if she checks people on google. "That's usually my first step in the process," she responded.
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Jorrie said she googled Tohme and couldn't see he was a music manager.
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Panish: Did you ever have reservations in January 2009 about Dr. Tohme?
Jorrie: I did
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Michael Jackson's contract with AEG was signed on Jan 26, 2009.
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Jorrie said Dr. Tohme was a manager for Michael Jackson during the time they negotiated the tour and continued until the time of death.
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Jorrie explained that if the parties agreed, then the tour could go on beyond London.
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She said the world tour was contemplated, but it didn't mean it was going to happen.
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Jorrie explained some things had to happen before the world tour could take place.
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Panish: Did AEG ever enter into a tour agreement with Michael Jackson that required him to do a world tour?
Jorrie: Yes
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Panish asked if after reviewing LAPD's interview, Jorrie contacted Det. Smith to fix it. She said no, read it only months later.
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Panish: Do you remember you denying telling the police department that statement?
Jorrie: Yes
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Panish: Do you remember telling me yesterday that you never told LAPD that MJ was engaged to go on worldwide tour?
Jorrie: Yes
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Jorrie met w/ LAPD twice in her office. Det Smith questioned her, Putnam and Deborah Brazil, one of the DAs prosecuting Murray, were present
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Panish asked if Jorrie represented herself, since she is a lawyer. She said she doesn't know how to answer, you always rep yourself as atty
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"I really didn't feel like I needed representation in that meeting, sir," Jorrie said. "I was a witness."
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Regarding the LAPD conversation, Panish asked Jorrie if she was represented by Marvin Putnam in that meeting. She said no.
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Panish: Where you representing Michael Jackson when you were preparing Dr. Murray's contract?
Jorrie: I was not.
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Panish: Did you say you negotiated probably 75 agreements with artists?
Jorrie: It's about 75, but it could be more, all for AEG Live.
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Jorrie: It's my estimate that my firm received a little over $ 7 million since 2000, which is about $500,000/year for services for AEG Live.
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She also gathered an estimate AEG paid her law firm since 2000, covering 14 years of work. Panish asked if it was in excess of $7.2 million.
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Jorrie brought copy of the contract she used as template to draft Dr. Conrad Murray's agreement.
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Kathy Jorrie is back on the stand for cross examination. Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, doing the questioning.
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Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Day 64 of Jackson family vs AEG trial, Week 15, is underway. We're now on lunch break.

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Jorrie is ordered to be on call to conclude her testimony, probably Friday morning and Randy Jackson's depo Friday afternoon.
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At this point, judge adjourned trial until tomorrow at 9:45 am PT. Kenny Ortega will be back to testify tomorrow.
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Branca was named executor of MJ's estate, had to be approved by probate court.
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Jorrie said John Branca requested a meeting on June 28, 2009 to discuss several issues, among which how to unravel the tour.
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Bina showed the document Tohme Tohme signed approving the costs of production.
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Jorrie explained, based on the contract, AEG was to recoup all costs incurred for production. Outstanding balance was MJ's responsibility.
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Bina: Based on that provision, if they request them (costs), they are responsible for them?
Jorrie: Yes
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Contract Section 8.2 -- Production cost
Initial production advance not to exceed $7.5 million.
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Bina asked about paragraph 11 of MJ's contract, which talked about "Approvals." It says no party can withhold approval unreasonably.
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Jorrie told LAPD detective that the agreement had potential to be extended to a world tour, based on mutually-approved itinerary.
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"Michael Jackson could've chosen not to approve the itinerary," Jorrie said.
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"The tour agreement had a potential to be a world tour" Jorrie said. "In order for tour to continue beyond London, the parties had to agree"
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Jorrie: My clients received the judgment. It was appealed and the judgment in favor of my clients was affirmed.
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Jorrie said plaintiffs claimed they were using Concerts West name without permission.

"We prevailed in all counts," Jorrie said.
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Panish's old firm represented the children, Jorrie said. It was a trademark infringement case.
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She said it was a lawsuit filed by the children of Tom Hulett against AEG Live, Paul Gongaware and John Meglen.
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Bina asked about the time Jorrie represented Gongaware and Meglen.
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Jorrie said she values the relationship with AEG, but that does not prevent her from testifying in a truthful manner.
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Jorrie said the names of the files included all signatories of contract.
"Because it was for Michael Jackson's physician," Jorrie explained
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Panish concluded cross examination. Jessica Stebbins Bina did re-direct of Jorrie.
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Jorrie's files:
Murray Agreement 6-15-09
Revised MJ/AEG/GCA Holdings Agreement 6-18-09
Final MJ-AEG-GCA Holdings Agreement/Dr Murray 6-23-09
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Jorrie sent the last version to Murray on June 23, 2009. All versions said 4.1- Perform the Services reasonably requested by Producer.
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"I did not check anything with MJ's representatives about Dr. Murray's contract," Jorrie testified.
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Panish asked if Jorrie checked with anyone in MJ's camp whether the artist had indeed approved the extension of the contract. She said no.
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Dr. Murray would receive salary for 3 months plus without working, since the tour would be off, Jorrie said.
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Dr. Murray called Jorrie on June 23, 2009 and told her he spoke with MJ about extending the end of the contract to March.
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She did not send MJ or his reps any draft of the agreement, but sent them to Shawn Trell at AEG.
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Jorrie never communicated with anyone representing Michael Jackson regarding Dr. Murray's contract.
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Panish: Dr. Murray could keep, sell or have someone else run his practices as to retain the $12 million/year revenue?
Jorrie: Yes
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Panish asked Jorrie if Dr. Murray had to shut down his practice in order to work for MJ. She said no.
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Panish: Your successful assessment was based on what Murray told you?
Jorrie: Yes
P: You verified licenses, googled him for 10 mins?
J: Yes
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Jorrie: I think I told him he (doctor) appeared to be successful and may have told him about his practices making a million dollars a month.
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Panish: Did you tell Phillips Dr. Murray made a million dollars a month?
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Jorrie: No, it was based on my conversation with him and verifying the fact that he was licensed to practice medicine in 4 states.
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Panish: And you determined Dr. Murray was successful based on 2 clinics?
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"I definitely said he (Murray) appears to be successful," Jorrie said about her conversation with Randy Phillips.
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Jorrie conceded she could've searched Dr. Murray in Lexis.
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Jorrie didn't check any pending lawsuits, litigation regarding child support or if Dr. Murray's properties were in foreclosure.
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Jorrie uses Lexis for legal research, she said. Panish asked if she checked how many judgments existed against Dr. Murray. She said not.
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She said she doesn't know.

Panish: Sometimes you do freebies for AEG?
Jorrie: Yes, for all my clients.
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The attorney said she spent about 10 minutes researching Dr. Murray online. Panish asked if Jorrie charged AEG for the time she spent.
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Jorrie said the clinics were in Nevada and Texas, didn't find anything in Hawaii and California.
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"I don't know for sure it was his companies," Jorrie admitted. "It was my assumption they were his."
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Jorrie explained she looked up Dr. Murray's medical license and two clinics are named.
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Jorrie said she could find addresses for only 2 clinics, but Dr. Murray told her he had 4 medical practices.
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Panish: He was making a million dollars with two clinics?
Jorrie: He said he had 4 medical practice, but I only found 2 clinics.
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Jorrie put Conrad Murray and the names of his two clinics on google.
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Panish said $150,000 per month equates to $5,000 a day for 30 days.

Panish: Did you find his website?
Jorrie: No, I didn't find a website.
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"He told me his four medical practice was grossing a million dollars a month," Jorrie testified.
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Panish asked if AEG could terminate Dr. Murray without the consent of Michael Jackson. Jorrie said yes.
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Jorrie: Yes

Panish discussed paragraphs 3 and 4 of the contract, which spelled out the obligations for AEG and Dr. Murray.
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DA asked if irrespective of the contract becoming activated, Murray was contemplating compensation from a period retroactively to 5/1/09.
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Panish played another part of Jorrie's testimony in the criminal trial.
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Panish: Did you ever testify that payments had been promised to Dr. Murray retroactively to May 1?
Jorrie: Yes, once the contract was signed
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May 1, 2009 is the commencement of the contract. Jorrie sent the contract to Dr. Murray on June 15, 6 weeks later.
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Panish played video of Jorrie's testimony in Murray's trial. She said in latter part of May, Wooley advised her he needed contract prepared.
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CPR machine was on the list Wooley provided to Jorrie regarding the requirements for Dr. Murray.
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Jorrie: That's not right, Mr. Wooley didn't give me an ending date, for instance.
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Panish: Regarding pay, equipment, starting and ending date provided by Mr. Wooley and not Dr. Murray, correct?
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Panish showed the template contract Jorrie used to create Dr. Murray's agreement. Jorrie said she took out paragraph 7 about Conflicts.
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Panish: Dr. Murray was undertaking acts that were spelled out in the contract?
Jorrie: I was told he was the personal physician for 3 years.
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Panish: They were undertaking acts that were spelled out in the contract?
Jorrie: Yes.
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Panish asked if it was in anticipation the contract would be all signed by July 3, 2009.
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Jorrie spoke with Murray about getting medical license to work in the UK. She knew Brigitte Segal was looking for housing in London for him.
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Panish: Did you ever tell Dr. Murray he could not perform work without a fully executed contract?
Jorrie: Of course not.
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Wooley did not tell Jorrie that Dr. Murray's services were being rendered.
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Panish: Did Dr. Murray ever tell you he met with AEG personal at anyone's request?
Jorrie: No
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Jorrie said she doesn't recall receiving or seeing this email. Murray never told her he was meeting with AEG people regarding his contract.
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Email cont'd: As for good faith with my client I'm sure that you are aware that my services are already fully engaged with Mr. Jackson.
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Email from Murray to Wooley:
I am basically in agreement and reiterate that your memo is correct pursuant to our conversation of May 8, 2009
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Jorrie said she never worked on a contract for a doctor to go on tour, except for Michael Jackson.
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Jorrie explained she doesn't recall working on agreements where AEG was both producer and promoter of the show.
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Jury entered the courtroom at 1:42 pm PT. Katherine Jackson is present in court wearing a navy blue jacket over a floor-length dress.
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Jacksons attorneys want the judge to tell the jurors to disregard it, since the implication is the Estate didn't recognize contract as valid
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Panish asked the judge to strike testimony of Jorrie when she issued opinion that the Estate didn't pay Murray because he wasn't entitled to
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After lunch, outside the presence of the jury, Panish told judge he's excluding anything that's potential violation of atty-client privilege
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Judge ordered Panish to move on or she will finish his examination.
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Panish: When she says my client told that, why can't I ask about communication about that?
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Bina said it was done in good faith, Tohme told her he was an officer of the company. She said DiLeo also told Jorrie MJ approved the budget
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Panish: Nonetheless she, as concerned he was not the real Mccoy, brought document to him with $34 million for him to sign off.
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Panish: It's improper what she did, your honor. As member of the bar, she knew as of January that this person was not officer of the company
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Panish explained what he was trying to do, that Jorrie volunteers and continue to volunteer what is not asked, almost more than any witness.
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"If you don't move on I'll shut down the examination," Judge Palazuelos told Panish.
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Judge: I don't want to waste time with that, over and over. I know you understand the ruling, I assume you have nothing better to ask.
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Judge: As to the budget -- she keeps telling you she didn't review it. Any question about the budget is without foundation.
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Outside the presence of the jury:
Judge Yvette Palazuelos to Panish: You keep invading attorney-client privilege.
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Judge sustained the objection and ordered lunch break.
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Panish: Mr Trell never told you about this document (MJ's termination of Tohme)
Defendants objected again based on attorney-client privilege
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Judge told Panish to move on or she will cease the examination.
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Panish: Was Dr. Tohme there on the budget for $200,000?
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by WeAreTheWorld. Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:42 pm

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MJ wasn't really fond of massage, Ortega said. "Don't forget to eat, get some rest," Ortega would tell MJ.

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Ortega said he would talk to MJ, as a performing artist, and ask if he was focusing on nourishment, health, warming up, stretching, sleeping

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Putnam: Did you ever talk to him about nutrition?
Ortega: As a general idea
P: Physical therapy?
O: Yes

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"Because he came out of rehab," Ortega said. "He was moving on with his life in a healthy way, hopefully."

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Putnam: Did you have any reservation to work with him after rehab?
Ortega: No
P: Why not?

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Ortega never asked MJ about his rehab stint or any drug use.

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Someone on behalf of Michael Jackson contacted Ortega to be part of the HBO special.

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Putnam: Were you responsible for MJ's health?
Ortega: No.

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Ortega: I wanted to take care on him, you want to take care of someone when something is not right, but you can't be responsible.

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Jurors were writing viguroulsy at this point. Juror number 6 looked over at Katherine Jackson.

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Ortega: I didn't think he was being very responsible, but it was his responsibility, in my opinion.

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Putnam: Do you think MJ was being responsible with his own health?

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"Adults are responsible for their own health," Ortega opined.

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Ortega: I worked with 10,000 people in the Olympics, how can I be responsible for everybody's health?

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Putnam: Did he (Murray) offer any explanation of what happened to MJ the night before?
Ortega: I don't believe so.

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Putnam: Did you talk about drugs in that meeting?
Ortega: No

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Ortega said Michael explained in the meeting that what Dr. Murray said was not what had occurred.

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Ortega: I'd like to think that Michael would not set me up that way, I'd like to think Dr. Murray misunderstood Michael.

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Ortega said Dr. Murray told him to be the director and to quit his concerns with Michael Jackson's health because it was not his job.

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Ortega: I did think it was right he didn't rehearse that night, I did think it was the right thing he went home.

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Ortega said, at one point, MJ told him he was going home. "I said yes, go home, tuck your children in, feel better," Ortega described.

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Ortega: I looked at Michael and asked him to tell what had happened, that I didn't forbid Michael of anything.

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Ortega testified he said: 'Wait a minute, that's not at all what happened.' The director recalled Dr. Murray said MJ told him that.

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Ortega: Murray started up saying I had no right to not allow Michael to rehearse that night and that I had no right to send him home.

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Ortega: He said don't leave me, I'm gonna take the reins, you'll see I'm going to change this. He seemed absolutely committed at that point.

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Putnam: MJ assured you that he was fine?
Ortega: I didn't feel assured

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Dr. Murray told Ortega to quit being an amateur doctor and that MJ was physically fit to show, the director recalled.

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At the meeting, Dr. Murray told Ortega to stay out of it and to leave MJ's health for him to take care.

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Ortega said he thought it was a responsible way to deal with it, and pretty immediate after the fact.

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There was a meeting scheduled next day to address MJ's problems on June 19.

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Ortega sent an email after seeing MJ that way because he thought Phillips and Gongaware should know about it.

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Putnam: You have never seen Mr. Jackson like that before?
Ortega: No.

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Putnam: It never crossed your mind it could be drug related?
Ortega: No, I was thinking it was something else.

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Ortega: It didn't appear to me it was drugs, it appeared to me it was something else, emotional.

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"I felt somewhat calm when we left," Ortega said. But he said he was still concerned, thus the email he sent to AEG high ups.

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Putnam: He was coherent?
Ortega: Yes
P: Warmed up?
O: A bit
P: More engaged?
O: Yes
P: Calm?
O: Yes

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Putnam asked if throughout the night on June 19th, if MJ got better. Ortega said yes.

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"I supposed I might have suggested it could look that way," Ortega said. "It would've been a really, really bad flu."

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Putnam asked if Ortega testified before he thought MJ had a really bad case of flu.

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Putnam asked about June 19, 2009. "I'll always remember June 19," Ortega said.

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Ortega: I think they were trying to create a schedule to factor in all of Michael's needs (like family) and still could come to rehearsal.

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Ortega: In this stage of the game, Mr. Phillips took on overseeing position to make sure the schedule was responsible for Michael.

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"I looked at Mr. Phillips as the promoter, Michael's promoter and producing partner," Ortega testified.

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Ortega said he never spoke with Timm Wooley about scheduling.

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He explained he didn't think Phillips was involved as much in MJ's scheduling, but was overseeing it.

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Ortega said he learned from Randy Phillips that Dr. Murray was responsible to get MJ to rehearsals on June 15, 2009.

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Ortega: But at the end, I believe they thought Michael had what he wanted.

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Ortega: I think we were getting in a place were we had a ceiling, because we were already with a fat budget.

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He said there were professional discussions like 'is this something you really feel it's going to benefit,' 'do you really need this.'

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Ortega said he would ask Gongaware for more and more things to create the show. Gongaware never denied anything.

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Ortega: Everything we brought to AEG, in terms of enormous creative needs, that AEG was very supportive in doing all they could.

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Putnam: Did you ever see AEG pressure Michael in any way?
Ortega: No
Putnam: Did you feel AEG Live supported MJ?
Ortega: Yes

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Ortega: I thought of MJ as my partner, I didn't think of him as my boss. But MJ always had the final creative say in all the years we worked

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Putnam: Who did you consider your boss?
Ortega: Michael.

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"A lot meaning 3-4 times a week," Ortega clarified. He said things changed as they were moving to the Forum, which was end of May.

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Ortega said February, March and April MJ was very involved in the creation of the show, would show up a lot.

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"At the end of the day, creatively, we trusted Michael knew what we needed," Ortega said.

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Putnam: Why?
Ortega: Because he was brilliant and he knew what he was doing.

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"Final say would be Michael," Ortega said. "Michael had final creative say."

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"He would just make it happen," Ortega said. He could not recall Gongaware denying anything.

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"I'd go and say 'this is what we'd like,'" Ortega said.
Putnam: Did he ever tell you you couldn't get something?
Ortega: No.

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"We talked about these things together and I'd go with Michael's blessing to Paul to begin the process," Ortega explained.

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"Because the creative person was Michael, and myself," Ortega explained.

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Ortega did not discuss with Gongaware anything related to creative matters.

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Ortega would discuss with Michael about hiring someone and the director would go to Gongaware to get the contract drawn and the person hired

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Ortega explained he dealt with Gongaware regarding technical things, like moving dates to new rehearsal venue, delivery of stage parts, etc.
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Ortega said he reported to Michael Jackson for the creative side of the tour and regarding budget/financial matters he reported to Gongaware

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Ortega said AEG Live and MJ were co-producers of the show.

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Regardless of who contacted him first, Ortega said he was hired because Michael Jackson wanted him.

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Ortega testified he never really fully understand Dr. Tohme's role related to MJ. He thought was a friend.

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Ortega said he didn't really know who Dr. Tohme was, have never met the guy at that point. Tohme said he called on behalf of MJ.

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Putnam: Do you remember as you sit here today who first contacted you?
Ortega: I'm not really certain.

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In Dr. Murray's criminal trial, Ortega said it was Paul Gongaware.

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In a deposition related to Lloyds of London litigation, Ortega also said Dr. Tohme first reached out to him regarding TII.

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Putnam showed Ortega's deposition transcript. "In deposition, I remember it to be Dr. Tohme," Ortega said.

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Ortega said he doesn't remember who he said reached out to him first regarding the tour in his deposition.

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Putnam: Is it fair to say you were the "TII" director because of MJ?
Ortega: Yes.

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"He told me he only wanted me," Ortega said about Michael Jackson's wished that he be the director.

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"People were calling it a tour but it was more like an event," Ortega explained.

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Putnam: Did you consider it a tour?
Ortega: We called it tour, term used in the industry, but we weren't really touring, it was 1 venue.

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Ortega went thru all the pages of his contract and said: "I do not see that anywhere."

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Putnam read Murray's contract were it says the contract is not valid unless MJ consented to it and asked if Ortega has that in his contract.

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Ortega: That's what I understand it's in my contract
Ortega's contract does not have a signature line for Michael Jackson.

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Putnam: If tour was successful, you already have in your agreement what you'd be paid in bonus, correct?

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"The shows were not booked or guaranteed," Ortega said. "That's what I think Michael hoped to do, but wasn't booked."

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In Ortega's contract, there is a provision for bonus in case "This Is It" tour went around the world.

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"I can recall specifically, but I'm sure in my 40-something years in this business that has occurred," Ortega testified.

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"It's sort of common in the industry," Ortega said.

Putnam: If you don't reach an agreement, you could work and not get paid?
Ortega: Yes

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Ortega said he has put himself in the position of working prior to signing a contract. "It's what I call working in good faith."

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Putnam: You were paid after the contract was executed, right?
Ortega: That's what appears in this document.

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Ortega looked at the document and said he was paid on May 11, 2009, which is after he signed his contract.

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In his deposition, Ortega was shown documents to refresh his recollection. Putnam showed him the same documents.

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Ortega's contract was executed on April 26, 2009. "I believe I was paid in advance of signing," Ortega said.

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"I was only contracted, and we were only focused, on the London tour at this time," Ortega explained.

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Putnam: Did you understand you were an employee of AEG Live?
Ortega: No
P: What were you employee of?
O: K.O. Company

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AEG Live had an agreement with K.O. Company for the services of Ortega.

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Putnam showed Ortega a "Certificate of Employment -- Loan-Out," which Ortega said it's certificate that he works for The K.O. Company, Inc.

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Ortega is under cross examination by AEG's attorney Marvin Putnam. Ortega had professional engagement overseas, not available until today.

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Judge said they are bringing Kenny Ortega back on the stand out of order to finish his testimony.

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Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses.

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"It is what it is," judge said. She told jurors before they would get the case at the end of August.

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Judge: My estimate has now changed. The case will probably be submitted to you at the end of September.

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Jury entered the courtroom 10:10 am PT. Judge Yvette Palazuelos advised jurors she came up with new time estimate for the trial.

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Katherine Jackson is in court wearing an ankle length black dress with a black and white polka dot jacket.

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Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Day 65 of Jackson family vs AEG trial, Week 15, is underway. Session now in lunch break.

by WeAreTheWorld. Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:43 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Would it be surprising to you that the Rolling Stones have a doctor on tour with them right now? Ortega: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said nobody came up to him on the 23rd or 24th expressing concern about MJ. They did on the 19th but not after MJ came back on 23rd.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h The week of June 15th is when Ortega grew concerned with Michael Jackson.

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Putnam: Did you see Michael deteriorate over 8 weeks?
Ortega: I would've not used the word deteriorate to describe what I saw.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "However, the sell out at the O2 for 50 shows showed he still had drawing power," Ortega opined.

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Putnam did re-cross. Ortega: Michael had not performed in 10 years. Whether he'd command the world like he had before remained to be seen.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said he never told Faye MJ had to face his fears; used the word tough love, may have said the show could be cancelled if not ready.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Katherine Jackson nodded in the audience in agreement. "In respect of why we are all here for, that's not nice," Ortega said on the stand.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega then opined: If Michael ever heard you talk like that it would not be appropriate. Isn't that right Mrs. Jackson?

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Panish: Did you heard Murray walked out and said he couldn't take this s**t anymore? Ortega: No, I never heard that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked if Ortega knew how much pressure AEG was putting MJ and Dr. Murray on. He said no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you ever learn that Phillips was grabbing Dr. Murray's arm? Ortega: I never heard that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips didn't do anything to stop Dr. Murray's admonishment of Ortega in the meeting, Panish said. Ortega agreed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said Dr. Murray did not have the same mindset as him in the June 20th meeting.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked if Ortega was doing his job when he sent email w/ concerns. "More than just doing my job, looking out for my friend" he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: You expect AEG to check them out, not being under conflict of interest situation? Ortega: Yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: I want you to assume that AEG Live hired Dr. Murray. Would you expect them to hire a fit and competent doctor? Ortega: Yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Eventually he started to decline and disappear," Ortega recalled.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: MJ was very cool, bold, strong in his ideas and what he wanted all through the beginning of the process.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you think MJ was irresponsible? Ortega: It seemed to me that he was in trouble.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega suggested another physician, not Murray, come to check MJ out.
Panish: You didn't think Dr Murray was doing a good job? Ortega: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you say that after MJ died?
Ortega: No, I think I'd have said it sooner than that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Sir, did you tell anyone that MJ should've been taken to the hospital? Ortega: I might have.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you have concerns about his physical condition on June 14? Ortega: I'd say yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "It was fairly obvious he was not moving forward in the rehearsals with this sort of tempo," Ortega testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said he didn't see MJ at practice for a long period of time in June. Panish: In June, he didn't show at all? Ortega: That's correct

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: Most of us have never seen anyone work as hard to accomplish something as MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Was MJ perfectionist?
Ortega: That would be something that people would have called him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Yes, he did change over time," Ortega said about Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you ever have assistant producer say she was afraid an artist would die in weeks of a show and they actually did die? Ortega: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said he disagrees with anyone who says there's no way MJ could've done 50 shows.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He sold 50 shows," Ortega said. "Pretty awesome, historical."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: I think the Stones come close, McCartney come close. But if MJ was not the number one, he was very close.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: I'd think if done right, that Michael would be the highest draw on the planet. Panish: You don't think Celine Dion would be bigger?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Are you aware of any artist in the world with the drawing power of Michael Jackson?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Email from Gongaware to Ortega on March 25, 2009:
I'm afraid we may not be able to meet your financial requirements for a deal.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said, at one point, there was a standstill regarding his contract.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Earlier in the trial, Ortega testified rehearsal schedule and attendance was up to Dr. Murray and Randy Phillips.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I recalled that Dr. Murray was going to be responsible for the schedule," Ortega said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Email from Woolley to Bob Taylor saying Randy Phillips and Dr. Murray were responsible for MJ rehearsal and attendance schedule.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you think you were not being demanding enough of MJ's attendance and schedule? Ortega: No

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Panish: Have you ever seen a situation where a CEO for promoter/producer set rehearse schedule with artist's doctor? Ortega: No

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Panish: Have you seen a CEO for promoter/producer involved in artist rehearse attendance/schedule? Ortega: CEO no, producers/promoters yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Were you ever involved in a show where promoter was buying saline, catheter, needles for a doctor?
Ortega: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Were you ever involved in a show where promoter was buying CPR machine? Ortega: Not that I know of.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I don't think producers can fire Cher," Ortega said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I don't think producers can fire Tom Cruise," Ortega opined. Panish said movies are different from singers.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I assume they could give a good try," Ortega responded. "I assume they could do that but I doubt it would last more than 24 hours."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: The producer could fire you if they wanted, right? Ortega: I think Michael would not be happy with that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked if MJ could've been fired by AEG. "No, he was a partner," Ortega responded. He said Michael told him that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega clarifies that the only artist, "the" artist, was Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said he thinks it's unusual for producers to engage attorneys to hire a doctor for an artist.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: In all your years in the industry, have you ever heard a producer involved in hiring a doctor for an artist? Ortega: I haven't.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: It seemed like it was doctor related, so it wasn't like taking drugs but just being under the influence.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked is Ortega saw MJ several times appearing under some kind of drugs during TII.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: I assumed sleep had to be a part of it, he looked rested.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked Ortega to assume MJ was getting Propofol for 60 days then didn't have Propofol the last few days before his death.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: The symptoms he had, did it seem like someone who wasn't sleeping? Ortega: I think that might have been a factor there.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: And before that you thought he was not having any sleep? Ortega: Yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h In re-direct, Panish asked: Prior to June 23rd, you thought Michael got real organic sleep? Ortega: Yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said said excitement was pretty unanimous among all the people working on "This Is It."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Did you have concern on the 23rd or 24th he was taking drugs? Ortega: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega felt less excited, deeply grateful about MJ's come back. "Maybe it was a lot of rest," Ortega opined. "He did seem rested, stronger"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h MJ also rehearsed and performed. Ortega said he was feeling they were back on track, believing they were in a new chapter.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said MJ was almost as good on the 24th as the 23rd. He seemed a little tired from the day before but talked about things for the show

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: Everybody felt there was a different Michael in the room.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said he just embraced it and went with it. "We were all delighted" Ortega recalled. "The energy in the room changed, hope returned"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: He was in charge. Not only capable to rehearsing but to talk about other aspects of production, like films, the effects, costumes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h MJ was there a number of hours, Ortega said. He went thru a number of songs. Putnam: Had he taken the reins? Ortega: Yeah

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: How was the rehearsal?
Ortega: Great. It was one of the best rehearsals we had up until then.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "It was like metamorphosis," he said. Putnam asked if Ortega inquired MJ what had happened. "I din't pry in his personal live," he replied

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Ortega said MJ was always a little chill, but not like on the 19th. The director was surprised how quickly MJ got better.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: He seemed healthy, ready and happy, there didn't seem to be any left over issues from the 19th.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Completely different? Ortega: Completely

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said the meeting on June 20th was at MJ's Carolwood home. On June 23rd, Ortega testified MJ was in great spirits, ready to work.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: He was unbelievable! His reasons for doing the tour were incredible. He was motivated.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He seemed exhilarated, excited, like the Michael I always knew," Ortega described.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: I think the arrival of his children in his life brought something he didn't have before.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega: I was happy for him, because he had been through so much, I wanted him to be the King again.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Michael wanted to get out on the road," Ortega said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I think seating in a theater for 5 years in Las Vegas wasn't really attractive to him," Ortega explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said MJ was being approached by someone from American Idol, also Randy Phillips approached him, they wanted to do something with him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h The director described MJ very excited, even not knowing yet what "TII" was going to be, but feeling exhilarated.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said he had dinner with MJ a couple of times, MJ took his children to see High School Musical, and that he looked fined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Were you concerned MJ was doing drugs before "TII" in 2008? Ortega: No, I saw him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Did you have any concern with MJ's health? Ortega: I don't recall having any concerns P: How about mentally? O: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "HIStory" tour rehearsal was done in Los Angeles, Ortega said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h MJ was transported to the hospital. Ortega didn't go, because he said he wasn't invited. "Certainly concerned," though, he explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h He said security responded quickly, everybody stayed away to give paramedics room to work.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega was present at Beacon Theater when MJ collapsed. He didn't see the artist fall, though.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: But at no time you thought he was using drugs? Ortega: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Was he physical well?
Ortega: He seemed tired and unhappy, stressed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega was called to help MJ with the HBO special. Putnam: He seemed well to you? Ortega: Unhappy

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h At this time, MJ was living at Neverland. Ortega said they never rehearsed at MJ's ranch, but a stage in Los Angeles.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Did you have any concerns he might have been using drugs then?
Ortega: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said he usually likes to stay in tour until everything is working to everybody's satisfaction. He said it may be 4-5 shows or 8-10

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega's first time working with MJ was in the "Dangerous" tour. He said he may have been director of the project. It was in 1992-93.

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"He was strong," Ortega said. But 20 years later, when Ortega worked with MJ in the "This Is It," the director said MJ was much different.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: In your opinion, was Mr. Jackson always skinny?
Ortega: In the early years I worked with him he was light, lean performer.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I might have been a little concerned (with his weight) when I brought that up, yes," Ortega testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ortega said MJ liked to be in a certain kind of place (weight) to execute his moves and to get the look he wanted.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h The singer would smile and answer "okay" in a very loving way, Ortega recalled

by midangerous Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:46 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Back in session...

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Everyone still in the hallway waiting. Fans, reporters and many lawyers on stand by.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20m And we hope to get copy of his video deposition prior to our newscast this afternoon.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21m She testified Branca presented himself as such. The official appointment had to be sanctioned by the probate court.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 22m I have to remain impartial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 24m For the latest, watch our newscast @ABC7 and visit [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 26m We'll bring you complete coverage of this afternoon's session as soon as we are able to tweet. Remember, per judge, no live tweets.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 27m AEG claims Randy doesn't want to come testify in person; Jacksons say AEG doesn't want him to come in person. What do you think is true?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 27m The other witness scheduled is Randy Jackson, also via video deposition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 28m AEG changed witnesses. They will play video deposition of Dr. Gordon Sasaki, a plastic surgeon of Pasadena, CA.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 30m Jorrie was then excused. Judge broke session for lunch. We are waiting for trial to resume, since judge is dealing with other matters.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 31m in re-re-re-cross, Panish rebutted: And AEG could've refused it, right? Jorrie: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 31m In re-re-re-direct, Bina asked if MJ specifically asked AEG to draft the contract for Dr. Murray and advance funds necessary? Jorrie: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 32m Panish asked if there was anything preventing AEG from preparing the contract with Dr. Murray and giving it to MJ. She said no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 32m Panish: AEG didn't have to have a contract with Dr. Murray, right? Jorrie: It was an accommodation, sir.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 32m Jorrie said she read that Branca represented MJ about 10 years before.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 32m In re-re-cross, Panish asked if Jorrie has expertise in medical conflict of interest. She said she's not an expert in medical conflict.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 32m Jorrie explained MJ and Dr. Murray's interests were aligned, to treat him and keep him healthy while performing at the O2 arena.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 33m Bina: Did u think there was conflict of interest in the contract? "I believe that there wasn't contractual conflict of interest" Jorrie said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 33m Jorrie thought Dr. Tohme would be the most appropriate to ask whether he was an officer of MJ's company or not.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 33m Jorrie said Branca was a co-executor to be and she believed he would not know the answer. He had been MJ's attorney for a week.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 33m In re-re-direct, Bina asked: Why didn't you ask John Branca if Dr. Tohme was officer of the company?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 34m Jorrie said Howard Weitzman may have told her about the dispute in termination of Dr. Tohme.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 34m Jorrie said the only medical check she's aware of that Michael Jackson underwent was for the insurance company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 34m Panish asked if Jorrie was copied on any of the chain email "Trouble at the Front." She said she was not.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 35m Jorrie said she did not go out of her way to check Dr. Murray's credit report, debts, outstanding child support claims.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 35m This was the 1st time Jorrie negotiated a contract for an artist's physician. She never researched about third party contract for artist/doc

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 35m Jorrie sent all drafts of the contract to Trell and AEG, but never sent them to Michael Jackson or his representatives.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 35m Jorrie said she told Dr. Murray he would get paid once the contract was fully executed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 36m Jorrie: It's my testimony under oath that's what I saw 4 years ago, yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 36m Panish: Is your testimony that Dr. Murray was licensed in internal medicine and cardiovascular?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 36m Panish: Did you see his internal medicine license had lapsed in 2008? Jorrie: No, I don't remember seeing it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 36m Panish asked if there's such a things as cardiovascular license. "I told you what I remember seeing," Jorrie explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 36m Jorrie said she saw Dr. Murray was licensed for cardiovascular something. He was also licensed in internal medicine.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 37m Jorrie said the budget had to be approved prior to any payment. She testified she never asked Branca if Tohme was officer of MJ's company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 37m Panish: Were you aware the budget called to pay Dr. Murray $450,000? Jorrie: I was not aware, sir.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 37m Panish: Were you aware Dr. Tohme was supposed to get paid $200,000 for signing this document? Jorrie: I wasn't aware, sir.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 37m Jorrie said Mr. Tohme did not sign the consent document in her presence. She gave him the document for review.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 38m Jorrie did not contract John Branca, co-executor to be, to check if Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ's LLC.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 38m Panish: Did you ever contact Delaware Secretary of State to see if Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ LLC? Jorrie: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 38m Jorrie said she never received any document from Shawn Trell stating anyone else as officer of Michael Jackson's company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 38m Panish: Did you bill your client for that work? Jorrie: I don't recall, I have to look at the time and see whether or not I billed them.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 38m Jorrie said she believes she has a copy of the Delaware Secretary of the State of when she checked MJ's company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 38m Panish: MJ's company was a sole member LLC, wasn't it? Jorrie: That I don't recall when I looked at it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 38m Jorrie said she went on to the Delaware Secretary of the State website to check Michael Jackson's company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 39m Panish: Did you ever do a google search for Michael Jackson Company? Jorrie: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 39m Jorrie said she was checking to make sure the information Dr. Murray gave her were correct.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 39m Panish: There were no red flags raised in the 10-minute search you did on Dr. Murray, correct? Jorrie: That's correct.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 39m Jorrie said a red flag is when things come up that alerts her to evaluate further.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 39m Panish: Does your time entry has anything about check you did on Murray? Jorrie said she needs to look at the documents to refresh memory.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 40m Jorrie explained she would not have entered into the invoice a spot check of Dr. Murray's licenses/company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 40m Panish: Did you bill AEG for the research you did? Jorrie: It was 10 minutes of research and it was part of preparation of Murray's contract

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 41m Panish then did re-cross of Jorrie. Jorrie said GCA Holdings was a legitimate company, its license had not be suspended.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 51m Jorrie: I didn't think it was my place to check Michael Jackson's physician, who he had for many years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 51m "I had no reason to doubt the information given to me was incorrect," Jorrie said. "There were no red flags."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 51m Jorrie: It was just spot check, I checked his medical licenses, there were no disciplinary actions, company was legit, everything matched.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 51m The clinics she found were in Nevada and Texas, Jorrie said. "The 2 places of businesses that I assumed were clinics."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 52m Jorrie: I found Dr. Murray was licensed to practice medicine in 4 states, no disciplinary action against him in any state.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 52m Jorrie found that there were two places of businesses associated with Dr. Murray and his medical licenses.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 52m "He told me he was leaving the practices to go on tour with MJ," Jorrie explained. Dr. Murray never told her he was closing his practices.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53m Jorrie said from the conversation she had with Dr. Murray she did not understand he was going to close his medical practices to go on tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53m She said he understood his medical practice brought in a million dollars, from which he had to pay his expenses, nurses, medical equipments.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53m Bina asked if Jorrie's understanding was that Dr. Murray was making one million dollars a month.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53m She said that provision was no applicable to Murray. Jorrie also took out provision "Intellectual Property" since it was not applicable also

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 54m Jorrie said she took out the conflict provisions because they dealt with conflict of interest for the individual working for a competitor.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 54m It was between an individual and affiliate of AEG. There is no mention of artist consent in that contract, it was not a service to an artist

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m Jorrie used as template an independent contract agreement used in the King Tut exhibition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m Bina: Did you ever send the signed agreement to MJ? Jorrie: No, I didn't. B: Why not? J: Michael Jackson passed away.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m She said it would then be presented to MJ and his representatives for approval.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m Jorrie explained they were negotiating a contract to a place where Dr. Murray was happy with the agreement.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m Bina asked Jorrie why she didn't check with MJ or his reps about changing the end date of the contract.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m Bina asked about end date of contract. Original date was Sept. 2009, but Dr. Murray asked it to be changed to March 2010, Jorrie said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m Bina: Did Dr. Murray ever ask you for any equipment? Jorrie: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 56m Jorrie said there was also no word about Dr. Murray having to use only equipment provided by AEG to treat Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 56m Bina: Are there any words in agreement that says Murray can only use medical equip approved, bought by AEG? Jorrie: There's no such wording

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 56m Bina: You didn't put any provision for Dr. Murray to be supervised by AEG Live? Jorrie: Of course not.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m Jorrie: This is an independent contract agreement. Dr. Murray was MJ's physicians, retained to and in the expense of the artist.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m Jorrie read graph 9 of the contract, "Artist Consent." It says that without the express written consent of MJ the contract was not valid.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m Jorrie: No, he did not need an agreement from AEG Live to perform services to his patients, including Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m Jorrie said MJ had been his patient for many years. Bina: Did Dr. Murray need an agreement with AEG Live to treat patients?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 58m Jorrie: The reason is that Dr. Murray was Mr. Jackson's physician and it would not be my place to tell him not to provide services.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 58m Bina asked if Jorrie told Dr. Murray to stop treating MJ until they had an agreement. She said no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 58m Bina: Why not? Jorrie: Because I understood from Murray that he was MJ's personal physician for 3 yrs B: Did Murray tell you that? J: He did

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 59m Bina: Did it surprise you Dr. Murray was fully engaged and treating MJ in May 2009? Jorrie: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 59m Bina asked if Woolley forwarded Jorrie an email saying Dr. Murray was fully engaged in Mr. Jackson's treatment in May. She said no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 59m Bina asked if Weitzman told herTohme had been fired but nevertheless the Estate agreed to reimburse AEG for production costs Jorrie: Correct

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Jorrie: I'm aware that the Estate reimbursed some costs.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Jorrie said Dr. Tohme signed this document. She said she has seen Frank DiLeo's signature as well approving the expenses.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Dr. Tohme was there discussing MJ's business in front of everybody," Jorrie testified. "Nobody challenged Dr. Tohme or his presence."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h She said Frank DiLeo and various AEG reps were also present at the meeting and Tohme was there speaking about things having to do with MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Jorrie said the meeting on June 28, 2009 was called by John Branca, co-executor of MJ's Estate, co-executor John McClain was on the phone.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Jorrie said Tohme himself represented to her he was an officer of MJJ's company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Jorrie: That's my best recollection, I was informed that he was an officer of Michael Jackson's company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Bina asked if Jorrie was told on June 28, 2009 that Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ's company when he received the consent document.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Bina: Before Jun 28 you had been told Tohme was an officer of the MJ's company? Jorrie: Yes It's usually the type of representation she gets

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Regarding the email Dennis Hawk, MJ's attorney, sent Jorrie on January 14, 2009, she said they wanted to replace the name of MJ's company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Bina: Did Mr. Panish show any documents that he was not an officer? Jorrie: He did not.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Bina: Insomnia or sleep problems? Jorrie: Not in the least. Bina asked if Jorrie believed Tohme was an officer of MJ company. She said yes

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Jorrie: I never had any information that MJ was not in good health. Bina: Drug problems? J: None whatsoever

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Bina: So MJ represented that he did not have any health condition that would interfere with his performance?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Bina: Who signed this? Jorrie: Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Paragraph 13 cont'd: injuries or ailments that would reasonably be expected to interfers with Artist's first class performance.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Bina showed Jorrie MJ's contract. Paragraph 13: Artistco hereby represents/warrants that Artist does not posses any known health condition

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Katherine Jackson is not present in court today. Kathy Jorrie is back on the stand. Jessica Stebbins Bina resumed re-direct examination.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Day 66 of Jackson family vs AEG trial is underway. We're currently on lunch break.

by midangerous Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:02 am

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Interventions: NY Neverland Las Vegas Q: Were there any other? A: It was more than one at Neverland.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: You mentioned Grace would called but was getting him medication? A: Yes. A few times I would meet her at the pharmacy.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: I staged several interventions and set up, tried to get him help many times.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I was just kind of taken aback by it, maybe," he said. Q: Did you have concerns about MJ at that point? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He said he took it to help him sleep, and he said it was a mistake and that he was sorry about it," Randy testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy asked MJ next day if he remembered what happened. He said MJ replied "no, no, but I heard."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Next morning, Randy said MJ was sleeping pretty late. "I wanted to make sure he was ok, then I left," he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy instructed one os the Cascios to sleep next to MJ. He stayed overnight as well.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "Just let him rest it off. Somebody should sleep next to him, make sure he doesn't vomit or choke, anything like that," doc told Randy.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said the doctor gave MJ something that would counter, help counter whatever it is he had done.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: And as I recall, I called my doctor who lived literally around the corner. My doctor came over and took care of him, said he'll be ok

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: They ran downstairs and told me that he had collapsed. And I went upstairs. I picked him up, put him on the bed, it was pretty late.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h A: I went downstairs, I think he had some friends over. And I went downstairs to eat something.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did he tell you what he was taking specifically? A: No Q: Did you do anything else besides take it away?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said there wasn't much to talk to MJ then. "Yes, I could talk to him but I'd pick my moments. I'd wait till he'd be a bit more in tune

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Because what good would it be to help him if you're leaving stuff there?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: You just looked around the house and took bottles? A: I made her show where everything was.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said some prescription drugs were in Grace's name. "It was upsetting to me. I think she had a hard time saying no to him."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he tried to take everything away, from Grace too. "It was ironic because she was giving it to him but complaining about it."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h A: He was certainly under the influence of something that was altering his normal way of functioning. I tried to get help him some help.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: We had discussed this before, so I kind of knew what was going on. Q: And what did you see when you went over there?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Grace called Randy again to come over. "She needed help with him. He wasn't doing so well."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I went over to help him out and take everything away as I could," Randy testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said his speech was slurred. Then Grace, his nanny, would tell me all the time, "You need to get over here. Something's not right."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said this was in 2005 at the Shadow Wood home in Beverly Hills. "He was under the influence of something."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Other than the times Randy described in the last deposition, she said saw signs MJ was on prescription medications at home.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you ever see any signs he was on prescription meds on tour? A: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said Michael enjoyed touring. Q: Why do you say that? A: Well, because we like to tour, perform.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Second part of the deposition was taped on March 26, 2013.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h
Q: From 2000 until the time that your brother passed were there periods you believed he didn't problem with prescription drugs? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said his brother didn't drink. "I never seen him drink alcohol."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy had already selected a rehab facility to take MJ. It was in the Bay area, San Francisco. The same place were interventionist worked

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said they were concerned about prescription abuse around the time MJ was living at the Carolwood house.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Leonard Rowe was involved very much in the shows and was giving reports to me that he didn't look too good.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: There was a drug issue. He wasn't eating. All of these things were happening at the same time. And, you know, a lot of pressure.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he and his father tried to call MJ while he lived at Carolwood home. "We were unsuccessful," he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did your mother ever tell you she believed your brother had problem w/ prescription drugs? A: No, no, she didn't tell me that believed

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I told her that we need to plan an intervention and that, her being a mother, because she was there."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he had a phone call with his mother, he initiated the conversation.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h That was after the second attempted intervention at Neverland, Randy testified, which was the same as the one his mother attended.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you ever discuss you believed your brother had a problem with prescription drugs with your mother? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did he ever tell you he had a problem with prescription drugs? A: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Just excessive use, maybe, I don't know if I would call that an addict, I'm not a doctor.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Was he addicted? A: I don't know, I wasn't sure, I wasn't clear on it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he forgot the doctors' names. He talked to doctor friends he knew about his concerns of MJ's prescription drug abuse.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Also, as I recall, I tried calling a doctor in Vegas and a doctor in Florida, but they wouldn't talk to me about it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy didn't talk to MJ about it at this point. He talked to Rebbie. "I was investigating about it, talking to people around him."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: What medicine? A: Sedatives, whatever they call them, sedatives.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "She just told me she was concerned," Randy described. "Because he was using prescription medication too much."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "The first time was in Los Angeles, she called me," Randy said. It was around 2000, year 2000.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: When did you first come to believe MJ had a prob with prescription drugs? A: I guess it was Grace.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did your brother ever discuss taking medication to sleep? A: No "I never got a call about illegal drugs," Randy explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he never saw MJ take prescription drugs or illegal drugs. He never heard of propofol or diprivan prior to MJ's death.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy did not know about MJ taking anesthesiologists on tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I went to visit him at the hospital," Randy said about MJ. He never discussed with MJ insomnia, sleeping problems.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did MJ talk to you about his burned scalp? A: Yes. He said it was painful.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy learned DiLeo came back as MJ's while the O2 show was being put together. Q: Was he a good manager? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he went to visit Frank DiLeo in the hospital after he was in a coma. He knew DiLeo for 20-30 years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I told him I wanted him to go to the therapist with me," Randy described. He said this was after Santa Maria trial, which took over things

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h They were at the Ranch for 2/3 hours. Randy discussed with MJ the Ranch intervention after.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He just did it and got ready for the trial," Randy explained. MJ never discuss any drug problem with Randy ever.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h After the Las Vegas intervention, Randy said he watched MJ clean up. He was around, it was around Santa Maria trial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "My mom didn't believe it," Randy explained. "But it's my mom, she didn't want to believe it."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Just leaving there all the brother talked about it, Randy said. Other family members didn't believe him either.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: He also refused to go to rehab? A: Yes "I didn't believe him," Randy testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Believe your brother had problem with prescription drug? A: Yes Q: Did MJ deny he had a prob with prescription drugs? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h MJ didn't want to go to rehab that time either. The brothers stayed a few hours. It was just family, no doctors.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he just walked in. One the brothers went over fence to open the gate Q: Because security won't let you in? A: Yes. We don't ask

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you mom go? A: I think so. Janet, Rebbie, no Marlon, not sure LaToya, no Jermaine, Tito maybe, Jackie

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: I think my mom found out about the Grace. "My family went with me," he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy told siblings, Rebbie, brothers, Janet. They had another conference call. The parents were not on the call.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy doesn't know how he cleaned up. The intervention at the Ranch occurred after NY. He got a call from Grace "You need to get down here."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: He stopped using these things, as fas as I know, he stopped using it. I learned it from Grace, pretty much Grace.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did he clean up after LV intervention? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy testified the brothers just talked to him. "Just tell him that his family loves him, concerned for him."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy called Grace. "She told me that he cleaned up," Q: How? A: Because I was there, probably.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h MJ didn't go to rehab, Randy didn't tell the parents, he said he didn't want to stress them out.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy doesn't remember the details of the conversation, whether MJ admitted or not abusing prescription drugs.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He wouldn't go" Randy said about his attempt to take MJ to rehab. Q: Did you tell him to go? A: Yes Q: Did he tell you he wouldn't? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy went with family only to the NY intervention. Q: Did he agreed to see you? A: I guess, I just walked in.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "You need to get down here," Randy said Grace told him. She didn't need to say anything else. "Because, my brother," Randy explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Grace called him, he called the family, other family members, Rebbie, Tito, Janet, Randy said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Grace had called Randy each time. Janet, Rebbie and Tito were with Randy in NY. It happened in early to mid-2000.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy believes the NY attempt happened prior to the Vegas time. He said he was worried about MJ, about "prescription," "prescription abuse."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Besides Michael, just security was present. Q: You mentioned another one in NY? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy discussed with the doctors the attempted interventions. Randy did not speak with the doctors again after that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he told the doctor there had been prior attempts to get MJ help and they weren't successful, needed professional help.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy discussed MJ's stint in rehab before with the singer. Randy said he thinks it was one time that MJ was in rehab.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h He said he wanted to know just what they do and what is the procedure here, what they suggest.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he met the interventionist doctor at Madeo for lunch, probably met doctor one time prior as well.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h They talked to MJ while there, Randy said. He doesn't rememeber specifically what was said, but that the family loved him, wanted to help.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Besides siblings and the doctor was there somebody else who went? A: I don't recall who the 2nd guy was. I didn't arrange it, Janet knew

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Had you met him before? A: No. Internet, maybe Q: Was this Mr. Webb? A: No. I don't recall

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He was an experienced interventionist," Randy testified. Q: How did you know that? A: He told me

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he doesn't know if the parents talked to MJ. Randy and Janet had a doctor in the mix for the Vegas intervention.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you ever discuss that with your parents? A: Yes Q Their reaction? A: Displeased Q: With? A: Him not getting the help that he needed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: No, let me correct that. Initially we were playing on our tour, the brothers tour. There was concern then.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said Leonard Rowe told him MJ may have prob w/ prescription drug. He guessed it was around time shows in London were being prepared

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Up until the time of his passing you never discussed it with him again? A: No Q: Why not? A: I hadn't gotten call from Grace or anyone

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "It was just around the Santa Maria trial," Randy said. "It was after, I think."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: When was next discussion? A: That may have been the last time, maybe. There were prior times.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you leave thinking he had a prob? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said MJ told him 'Don't worry, I'm okay. I'm not gonna go.' Q: Did he seem ok? A: At the time yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did he say whether or not he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time? A: No. No he didn't say it They were with MJ for 2 hours

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did he deny he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time? A: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h MJ didn't go to rehab. Randy said the other siblings told MJ the same thing, to go to rehab. Q: Did he admit having a problem? A: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you see MJ? A: Yes. I told him him I was taking him to rehab," Randy said. "He said he was not going. I said you are, he said I'm not

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said security told him MJ didn't want to see him. Just drive in and walked in the house. The gate was open, I just drove in walked in.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy confronted MJ every time Grace called him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Grace called Randy before about MJ using prescription drugs. He said she called him two or 3 times before.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Have you ever believed MJ was abusing prescription drugs before? A: Yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he spoken with Grace, the other siblings spoke with her too. "We may have had a conference call."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h MJ was staying in Vegas. Randy said he went there with Jackie, Rebbie, maybe Janet, maybe Marlon.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said it was around the time of the trial, doesn't know if before or after, not sure.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "Because I had received call that he had been abusing prescription drugs," Randy said. Grace called him, he's sure if she called anyone else

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h MJ's brother said one intervention was in Vegas, then in NY then LA. Randy remembered 3 times and intervention being attempted.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I wanted to make sure he was ok," Randy testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Your brother didn't want to see you and you went to see him? A: Yes Q: Couple occasions? A: Yes, 3 or 4 times

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h There was a time he was the manager, then not manager, then manager again, Randy said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said Frank DiLeo was MJ's manager. "From what I understand until my brother passed," he explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you call him in 2009? A: I don't remember Q: Did you see him in 2009? A: I don't remember

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he doesn't remember when it was the last time he spoke with MJ. He said MJ was traveling.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h The attorneys stipulated the firing occurred in 2004/2005. Randy said he and Michael were pretty close, since they were close in age.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Why? A: Because he asked me to. Q: Your brother Michael did? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h First deposition was on Nov 6, 2012. Q: Do you know Grace Rwamba? A:Yes, and fired her too.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Jessica Stebbins Bina said AEG is calling Randy Jackson via video deposition. Q- Question (by an attorney) A- Answer (by Randy Jackson)

by midangerous Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:40 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h We hope to see you then for full coverage of the trial. For the latest, watch @ABC7 and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . Have a great weekend!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h That was the end of Randy's deposition. Court adjourned until Monday at 10 am PT. AEG has not announced who the next witness is.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h A: I don't remember saying that, but that doesn't mean I didn't say it. I kind of felt that way at the time.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Do you recall telling Randy Phillips that you see that Michael was fortunate to have AEG involved in his return to the stage?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: I practically slept there to put the show together.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you have a positive experience with AEG? A: Horrible! (laughs) No, I'm just joking. They were nice. They were very nice.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he pushed everything to the side and was getting together this memorial for him and did it with AEG, Kenny Ortega and those guys.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I haven't even buried my brother yet," Randy said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: We were still trying to figure out how to grieve, and these people are in court, and will, and this nonsense.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: After MJ died, everyone was shocked. I was really displeased with all the stuff that was going on in court with Branca, Weitzman.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "Sometimes he would isolate himself because he didn't want people to hear his voice" Randy said. Q: Because he might be using drugs? A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you speak with him regularly? A: I don't talk to anyone in my family regularly.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Was he doing it in the 5 years before his death? Isolated? A: Oh, parts, parts of it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h That was probably the first one, the first intervention, Randy said. Q: Was MJ isolating himself? A: Yeah, he would do that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did he seem he was using drugs at that time? A: Yes, his speech was slurred, but nothing terrible.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said in Taiwan they visited him, gave him family love, wanted to make him feel comforted so he wouldn't think about doing those things

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: I dind't know anything but we had heard things. That's why we were there.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said what spurred him to go to Taiwan was the fact that he needed help, he was far away, we said we need to go.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you go to Taiwan? A: Yes, with Rebbie and some family members MJ was doing shows in Taiwan.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy talked about interventions in NY, Neverland, Las Vegas. And there was another intervention in Taiwan.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h After being turned down, Randy would then go home. Q: After Carolwood, did you or father take any other action? A: No, after that time no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h They told Randy "he's not here, he's not there." Randy questioned if he wasn't there why they had the gate closed. "Open it up, no big deal"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Who did you see there? A: Security guard.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: My dad and I tried to get the house at Carolwood. They wouldn't let me through. My brother didn't want me to see him like that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Do you know if he slept well while on tour? A: He slept well Randy said MJ had no issues sleeping that he knew of.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: He was doing good in Ireland from what I recall. 06-7, 07-08 around that time.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said the last time Grace called was a long time ago. "I made my presence known, there wasn't lot more. She didn't need to call."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Those were the only two times Randy saw him under the influence. "I'd get calls from Grace all the time," he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: He didn't know who to trust, because people around him were lying to him, telling him things just to secure their positions.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h He said MJ had slurry speech. "He was really frightened to go to that courtroom."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Then I later found out she had gotten him a patch. I was livid. Randy doesn't know what kind of patch it was.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said that when Grace was around MJ, he was under the some kind of influence. "But we had him go to court and had the doctor with him"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Was he in the hospital because he had reaction to his drug use? Randy: No. He was in the hospital because he didn't want to go to court.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: And I said "Okay, but you are going to court." He goes "No, I'm not."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: I went to hospital MJ said "I don't know what you're thinking. I'm not walking into that courtroom so don't even think about it Randy

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: He didn't want to go to court. He didn't show up to court. And I was freaking out because it was on the news.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said MJ was really scared before the Santa Maria trial. And somehow Grace was able to get him something.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: He would get physical with me, I wouldn't be afraid to say no. But he was 90 pounds, it wouldn't do much.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: MJ didn't want to talk to me too much. Because maybe I wasn't afraid to say no to him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Did she ever believe he had a problem? Yeah, but I think she was in denial, she didn't want to believe it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: My mom, you know, she would mever want to believe it. She's a mom, you know. I felt bad for my her.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h The letter was MJ's idea, Randy said. Q: Did you mom sign it? A: My mom, LaToya, all my brothers.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h He said he wasn't behind the article, but didn't sign the letter. Janet, Rebbie and his dad didn't sign it either.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said MJ got people in his family to sign a letter that was on People Mag saying he never used drugs. "I was really disturbed by that."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I fired them both that's probably whay they said it," Randy opined. "It had nothing to do with me."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Grace and actually Raymone Bain because I fired them both.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: There was a People Magazine article coming out talking about his drug use. Grace told him that I was behind putting this article out.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: He was using it again because there was a... it was quite disturbing to me.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Were all of the interventions were before the Santa Maria trial? A: There was one after, the Vegas was after.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: I fired her again, I noticed when she was around there was a pattern. Whenever she's around, he's wasted. So I fired her again.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he started right before Santa Maria trial but he got MJ clean. He told Rebbie "don't leave his side" because I didn't trust Grace

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He was in a great place," Randy said. "Then Grace came back around and he started using it again. I was very pissed off about it."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said MJ would really, relaly enjoyed being around his children. He would cook for them.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: When I was helping with the situation in Santa Maria I was able to make it stop. I fired Grace, stoped it from coming in.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Could you give a range if years that this was happening? A: It happened over a period of time, when I was, he stopped doing it also.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: Michael wouldn't want to really be around his family too much, I think because he didn't want us to see him that way, specially me

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Shadow Wood home was 50-thousand square feet. Randy said he hated it, it was just too big.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy tried to jump the gate a few times. "My dad and I tried a few times to get him help."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h After Vegas, there were no more interventions, Randy said. "I tried to get him help but I couldn't get as many people to stage intervention"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy didn't speak with MJ that day. He said people would tip MJ off. "So it's bad news. Randy's coming to shake things up."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: What happened when you arrived at Neverland? A: I think that time he wasn't there.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said Rebbie and Janet were always supportive, always with him. "My dad also."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Katherine was at one intervention only, Randy said. "That must've been the first one, around 2002-2003, at Neverland.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h
A: First one at Neverland, not the one that KJ was present. Janet, myself, Rebbie. Maybe my mom was at that one. I think my mom was there.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rebbie and Janet went on all of them, except one or two. Q: Describe the 3-4additional interventions:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h The 4-5 interventions at Neverland were between 2004-2006. "One of them included my mom," Randy said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: No, my mon no. As a mom, I guess maybe it was hard for her, you know, for a mother to see that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you get responses? A: I think everyone was in shock, maybe a little denial. I always got responses, my dad, Rebbie and Janet, always

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h He wrote the letter down on paper and had assistant copy it. He said not everybody in his family looks at email.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Did you send it to your mother as well? A: Everybody got a copy of it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: So this is where the family needs to step in and do something about it because their desire becomes physical.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy: He's an addict, and at this point, addicts aren't so responsible for what they do.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Q: Who did you send the letter to? A: Everybody, copied everybody. I made sure everybody knew it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy wrote letters to my family about MJ's problem and that they had to do something to help.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Randy said he was spending a lot of time with him, so he kind of got close look at what was going on.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Finally out of twitter jail... Here's the rest of Randy Jackson's deposition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "There were a few over there. I don't know, maybe 4 or 5," Randy responded. It was around 2004, 2005. Or 2005-06.

by **Admin** Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:43 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman said MJ was spending $15-20 million a year on average more than his income.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Ackerman said there were not a lot of books and records provided for the year 2007. MJ had some sort of dispute with his business manager.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m The expert said those were the years MJ was living at Neverland Ranch. And no expenses were reported.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Ackerman said 2002, 2003 and 2004 there were no personal expenditures record. So they were not included in the graphic.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m MJ's Finances in 2008:
$26 million in income
$42 million in expenses

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Strong showed a chart of MJ's Finances -- Spending Exceeded Income
2001:
$17 million in income
$33/34 million in expenses

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Michael Jackson Company is the corporation that entered into an agreement with AEG.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman testified that some times the spending on a given company would be bigger than the income, would have a loss.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Ackerman said MJ had multiple corporations. He said most of his expenses were from one of his entities and not by himself as a person.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman said MJ paid $49,5 million dollars for the ATV catalogue, which then was merged with Sony.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman: MJ had ATV catalogue alone and received $115 million over a three year period of time for the merge with Sony's catalogue in 1995.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m The expert said MJ was to continue to receive $6.5 million every year for royalties and $11 million from 2008 and forward until 2014.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman said the Sony/ATV catalogue merged in 1995. As part of deal, MJ received a substantial amount of money.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman: During the last decade of his life the primary source of income was Sony/ATV catalogue and his own MIJAC catalogue.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m He said he focused on 2001 to June 2009 period, since the financial information was the most complete during this period.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman said he put together a profile of Michael Jackson's financial condition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m "He had significant debt over time, the interest had become more and more burdensome to meet," Ackerman described.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m "MJ's spending exceeded his income on an annual basis," Ackerman testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Exhibit:
A. Spending Exceeded Income
B. Growing and Significant Debt
C. Profile of Financial Condition

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Ackerman: I think it's important to share with jury that there was some doubt of his ability to continue to provide support.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 40s Ackerman said he looked at books and records for Michael Jackson and was asked to measure what MJ paid to plaintiffs for support.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 48s "We submitted invoices in excess of $800,000" Ackerman testified. He said he doesn't know how it's possible to opine without reading all.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Ackerman's hourly rate is $475. Other people in his firm charge between $325 to $75 an hour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Ackerman said it probably took well over 2000 hours just to read all the documents. He spent between 650 and 700 hours alone.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Ackerman said he reviewed all docs, didn't amount to millions of dollars. He testified his firm spent between 2800 - 3000 hours on this case

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Erk's testimony: Otherwise we'd spend millions of dollars and I didn't think this was necessary.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Erk responded he had access to them but decided to read only what he thought was pertinent.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Strong showed Ackerman a question that was posed to Arthur Erk. He was asked if he reviewed thousand of documents in this case.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Ackerman said he/his firm reviewed over 200,000 pages of documents. About 10 people in his office worked in reviewing these documents.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Ackerman explained he developed what we would describe as a financial profile of Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Scope of Work
- Michael Jackson's finances
- Support, contributions, gifts and benefits
- Present value calculation

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Ackerman said he was asked to try to determine the amount of support plaintiffs would received/could expect to receive had MJ lived.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m He has also worked on a handful wrongful death matters. Ackerman said he probably worked on 1,000 matters where he looked at damages issues.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m "I don't choose my clients, they choose me" Ackerman said. The witness has testified on behalf of O'Melveny & Myers about a handful of times

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Ackerman testified in a little over 60 cases, all as expert witness. He said the split is half between being hired by plaintiffs/defendants.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Ackerman studied Business Administration with emphasis in Accounting at Georgetown University.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m He's works in all kinds of civil litigation and some criminal matters. The only litigation his firm does not do is marital dissolution.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Ackerman said his work is primary is the damage areas, says he works on several cases and they are all different.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m He's been working in the accounting firm for a little over 22 years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Ackerman works currently at Freeman & Mills, consulting in accounting, finance, economics, business practices, primarily business settings.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m He said he did an extensive review of the financial information provided to him, did a financial evaluation of MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Ackerman was asked to determine the amount of support the plaintiffs received and could expect to receive had MJ lived.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Sabrina Strong did direct examination of Ackerman. She asked how tall he is. The expert said he's 6'7".

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m AEG called a new witness on the stand, William Ackerman. Before seating down, Ackerman laid out several large binders from 2 boxes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Prior to beginning of session, attorneys discussed with judge about the next witnesses/exhibits outside the presence of the jury.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Katherine Jackson is back in the courtroom today. She's wearing a long white pique jacket and sporting silver hoop earrings.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Hello from the courtouse in downtown LA.Day 67 of Jackson family vs AEG trial, Week 16, has just concluded.

by **Admin** Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:21 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Profile of Financial Condition:
5- Neverland
6- Hayvenhurst

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Profile of Financial Condition:
3- Catalog Cash Flow Committed to Servicing Debt
4- Bankruptcy Remote Trust Formed in 2006

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong showed another chart of MJ's Finances.
Profile of Financial Condition:
1- Significant Debt
2- High Borrowing Rates

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "The income goes away," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong: I want you to assume, if MJ did not have the Sony/ATV catalogue, do you have an opinion if he would receive $6.5 to $11 million?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h If not paid, Ackerman said he'd assume MJ would not receive the amount he was to receive annually for royalties.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said the $300 million loan against the Sony/ATV catalogue was due in full in December of 2010.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman: Yes, ma'am.
"I don't think he was able to borrow any more money," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong: Assuming Briggs testified value of MJ's interest in the catalogue is roughly in line w/ debt, is that consistent he was tapped out?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h The Hayvenhurst residence was 3-4 months in arrears by June 2009.
Ackerman said he does not know the value of Sony/ATV catalogue.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman: He was having troubles to meet his obligations in the period of 2007-2009, as well as other periods.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "He was tapped out," the expert explained. He said his opinion is based on the documents he reviewed in the case.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said after 2007 no debt had been incurred. "Nobody would lend him money," he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "After 2008, people were just not giving him more money," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h The title of Hayvenhurst house was in Michael and LaToya's name, Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Loan Balance - $383,500
Total: $ 398,878,414 in asses securing debt.

ABC7Courts 15h Neverland Residence - $ 71,509,703
Hayvenhurst Residence - $ 23,000,000
Lindley Residence - $ 3,985,211

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong showed chart with MJ's Assets Securing Debt in June 2009:
50% Interest in Sony/ATV Catalog MIJAC Catalog - $ 300,000,

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h The expert said MJ created new companies for the "HIStory" tour and he analyzed the books, which showed he lost money.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said the books and records shows MJ lost $11.2 million in the "HIStory" tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said he believes Dangerous tour in 1993 broke even or lost money. He reviewed Gongaware's testimony with that info.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong asked what that means. "He liked to spend money," Ackerman responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said MJ received in Oct 1995-97 -- received $150 million from Sony. But he spent $32 million in 1993, $140 million in 1998.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said in 2007 it was $400 million, plateau there until his passing in 2009.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong showed chart with MJ's outstanding debt:
2001 -- $231 million
2005 -- $275 million
2006 -- $325 million

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "It continued to grow over time to the final numbers," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said he saw on documents that MJ was as much as $30 million in debt as early as 1993.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman: He was close to about $400 million on long-term debt, had other debts to credit he received. Total debt is $400 and $500 million.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said this amount was all separated from his monthly expenses.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "This is the cost to rent somebody else's money," Ackerman explained. He said the interest rate was 16,8%, almost 17%.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said from 2001/2004 the annual interest on debt was from $13 to $15 million
2005: $20 million
2006: $25 million
2009: $30 million

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong showed chart with MJ's Interest on Debt, which is the amount of incurred interest over the years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said Michael Jackson had to take on more and more debt to keep going, since income was not sufficient.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h The expert said he had to take care of the animals at Neverland, had people on the payroll, spent half a million dollars in amusement rides.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said MJ was a generous man and donated a lot money to charity. He also gave a lot of gifts to different people at different times.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman: All expenses of the different businesses he had, payroll, Neverland Ranch was very expensive to maintain.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong: What things did you see MJ would spend?
Ackerman: The large expenditures was in interest.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Michael Jackson's Finances -- Expenses
Erk: $6.8 million in consumption
Ackerman said in 2008 it was $41/42 million in consumption

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h Ackerman said MJ was spending $15-20 million a year on average more than his income.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h Ackerman said there were not a lot of books and records provided for the year 2007. MJ had some sort of dispute with his business manager.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h The expert said those were the years MJ was living at Neverland Ranch. And no expenses were reported.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h Ackerman said 2002, 2003 and 2004 there were no personal expenditures record. So they were not included in the graphic.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h MJ's Finances in 2008:
$26 million in income
$42 million in expenses

by **Admin** Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:41 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h We hope to see you tomorrow for full coverage. For latest watch @ABC7 and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . Have a great night everyone!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h Judge adjourned session until tomorrow morning at 9:45 am PT. Ackerman is ordered to return then. He's expected to last all day on the stand

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h Panish told the judge this is a good point to stop. He says he needs to argue with the court. Judge responded: "And you can't wait!"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h Panish: Did you read that MJ had 28.8 year life expectancy?
Objection -- sustained

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h Panish: What was the standard life expectancy for Michael Jackson?
Ackerman: I don't know.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h Ackerman: He was providing the bulk of the support for his mother.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h Panish: Do you agree with me that Mr. Jackson was paying for his mother's life necessities?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h "Mr. Panish, I'm just trying to say that she was also being subsidized by his daughter," Ackerman explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Ackerman said Mrs. Jackson testified Janet was giving her $10,000 a month.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h "I know that Janet Jackson was also providing, so you have to draw the line where life necessities is," Ackerman explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h "It appears that he was providing support," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: $5 million would've covered the entire expense at Hayvenhurst in 2009, correct?
Ackerman: Yes, sir.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h "Some people were of that frame of mind," Ackerman answered.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: Did you testify in your deposition that it was stated by a number of people that Dr. Tohme was incompetent and dishonest.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h "I made aware that Dr. Tohme may had been holding some money for MJ," Ackerman responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: Was Dr. Tohme sitting on $5 million of Michael Jackson's money in 2009?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Ackerman: Michael Jackson Company was created on Feb 8, 2007. It's a Delaware company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: Was it a single liability company?
Ackerman: I don't recall, have to look up.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: Who were the officers of Michael Jackson Company, sir?
Ackerman: I know Michael Jackson was.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Ackerman said he, himself, did not read all the documents related to the case.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Ackerman: Looking at this graph, it's an average of somewhere between $30-$35 million.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: And from 2008 versus 2009?
Ackerman: I show the debt going up only a few hundred thousand dollars.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: How much did MJ's debt increase from 2007 versus 2008?
Ackerman: Approximately $1.5 million.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h "I didn't come up with specific number, but probably in the $30-$50 million range," Ackerman testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: You were very critical of Erk's consumption amount, right?
Ackerman: I was very critical of it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Ackerman estimated the bill for last month to be between $50,000-$100,000, which is on top of the $800,000-$825,000 already billed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: A professional way would be to itemize your bill, right?
Ackerman: I don't know, I know what our company does.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Ackerman said he keeps time records for the he does. "I don't know what the industry standard is, I know what we do in our firm."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h The bill of $800,000 to $825,000 was for work up until July. Since then, Ackerman worked another 60-100 hours.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish: Did your firm bill in excess of $1 million for that case?
Ackerman: I don't know exactly, but I'd not be surprised.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h OMM hired Ackerman in another case, the Cussler case. Bert Fields was the opposing counsel. Anschutz company was one of the defendants.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Ackerman said the general requirement is to have a written agreement before work begins.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Panish asked if he has a contract. He said yes. Attorney asked if he could bring a copy of it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Brian Panish did cross examination. Ackerman said he has an engagement letter with AEG for work in this case.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h Out of twitter jail.... here's the rest of Ackerman's testimony today.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11h "He would have to have some form of income to pay those figures," Ackerman testified. Strong concluded her examination.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h For MJ, he calculated 15 and half years of life expectancy, although he didn't offer his opinion on how much MJ would live.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said Mrs. Jackson's life expectancy was 10 years from 2009. So he stopped calculating future earnings based on that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Period 11 - End 12/31/2019 -- for KJ and children -- $19,452,000
Period 16 - End 12/31/2024 -- for KJ and children -- $21,498,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Projected Support to Plaintiffs (cumulative)
Period 1 - End 12/31/2009 -- for KJ and children -- $1,684,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Katherine Jackson -- Projected Support From 2009 - 2019
Period 1 - Ending 12/31/2009 -- $557,000
Period 11 - Ending 6/30/2019 -- $6,111,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman used a discount rate of 18% to put numbers in present value.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said he gave $110,000 cushion in the last category to catch all that was possibly missed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Groceries:
$17,000 per year per child
Other: $121,000 per year per child for toys, gifts, clothes, electronics, books, jewelry, boats, places

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said he projected kids to have own cars at 16. He testified he thinks the dream car would be a convertible BMW -- $35k/year/child

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Auto: Ackerman said MJ had acquired 2 top of the line Escalades. $42,000 for MJ and 3 children, about $14,000 per child.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h
Security: $69,000 per child per year
Caretaker: $22,000 per child per year

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Travel: $122,000 per child
Ackerman said MJ would travel by private plane and would rent entire floors of hotels.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h 2013 cost of private university -- $63,000 (Harvard). Ages 18-21. In 2009, it was $51,000. This included tuition and room and board.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Education:
Buckley School in 2013 is $36,000 for ages 12-17. In 2009 was $28,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Chef (Kai Chase) -- $128,000
Utilities -- $64,000
Total Annual Cost -- $1,454,000
25% Allocation per child -- 364,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Rent -- $1,200,000
Butler -- $31,000
Housekeeper -- $31,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h The difference is because Prince was going to Buckley School, which Ackerman said is higher than home schooling for Paris & Blanket in 2009.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Prince, Paris and Blanket Annual Support Around 2009:
Prince -- $785,000
Paris -- $780,000
Blanket -- $780,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Strong: What you see on the records, it decreased overtime?
Ackerman: It appears that way.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said the books and records listed out the gifts MJ gave to Mrs. Jackson. In some years, there was no gift amount listed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Travel -- $35,000/year
(Family vacations for 2010 was $118,362 and 2011 was $160,471)
Gifts -- $40,000/year

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Auto/RV
MJ had given Mrs. Jackson a top of the line Mercedes and recreational vehicle -- $118,000/year

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Hayvenhurst security/alarms -- $69,000/year
Food allowance -- $30,000/year (just for Mrs. Jackson)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Hayvenhurst employees/independent contractors -- $252,000/year
(groundkeeper, butler, housekeeper, personal assistant, driver, security man)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Hayvenhurst repairs and maintenance -- $111,000/year
Hayvenhurst homeowner insurance -- $36,000/year
Hayvenhurst utilities -- $64,000/year

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Annual Support for Katherine Jackson alone:
Hayvenhurst mortgage on March 2009 -- 31,513/month
Hayvenhurst property taxes -- 34,000/year

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Annual Support for Katherine Jackson included all expenses for Hayvenhurst, Auto/RV,Travel, Gifts.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Prince -- $785,000
Paris -- $780,000
Blanket -- $780,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman calculated Annual Support to Plaintiffs Around 2009:
Katherine - $1,167,000

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "He was in a very precarious financial condition," Ackerman opined. "He dig himself in pretty good hole."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said the mortgage at Hayvenhurst was delinquent 3-4 months and was scheduled to be foreclosed on June 26, 2009, a day after MJ died

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Colony Capital came in and replaced primary lender -- non-interest bearing loan to MJ for $23 million.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "It has become very close to foreclosure by Colony Capital in 2008," Ackerman said about Neverland.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Neverland:
Ackerman said about $23 million had been lent against Neverland.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Bankruptcy remote trust was formed in March 2006. It was called "New Horizon Trust."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said his understanding is that the trust would protect the catalogues against other borrowers.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h A bankruptcy remote trust is established to protect the interest of the lender in case the borrower files for bankruptcy.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said he believes lenders were getting nervous in 2006, formed bankruptcy remote trust that included Sony/ATV and MIJAC catalogues.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h "It was earmarked to either pay the interest of the debts or the debts themselves," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman: Mr. Jackson never got paid that money from royalties, it went straight to the lender.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15h Ackerman said that, based on his review of the documents, the royalties were dedicated to repay the debt.

by **Admin** Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:45 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m We'll bring you all the details of today's testimony as soon as we can. Remember, per judge, no live tweets.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m AEG's expert witness, CPA William Ackerman, is set to resume testimony today. He's expected to last all day on the stand.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m They are also discussing exhibits and charts presented yesterday. Jury is sitting in the hallway waiting to be called in.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Outside the presence of the jury, attorneys and judge are now arguing about boundaries for William Ackerman's testimony.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Katherine Jackson is present in court, wearing a long navy blue jacket.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Day 68 of Jackson family vs AEG trial, Week 16, is about to begin.

by **Admin** Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:27 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman: I don't think I'm qualified to calculate that. Ackerman was excused. Judge broke for afternoon break.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you do a calculation for the loss of their father, loss of care, comfort, society, affection?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said at the end of MJ's life, he had close to $30 million a year in interest, his total overall expenses was $30-45 million range.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said he came up with a very generous support numbers should the jury decide to award anything.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked if Ackerman is here to help the plaintiffs. He said he's here to try to be fair.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you read anywhere that MJ denied his mother or children anything?
Ackerman: I don't recall that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you read anything about MJ's relationship with his mother and children?
Ackerman: My recollection it was very loving.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I think they all thought and hoped the tour would be successful," Ackerman testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman: I don't recall that.
After reviewing Barrack's deposition, Ackerman said yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish, in re-direct, asked if Barrack testified that, with Colony Capital help, MJ could overcome his debts and he could become a success?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I think he'd have significant difficulty in continue to provide the support," Ackerman opined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said MJ would have to have enough income to service all the debts, personnel, creditors and to support to plaintiffs.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h The expert explained his oversight only benefited the plaintiffs, since he calculated more money for support.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said Prince drives a Ford truck. He calculated his car to be a BMW.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Strong: Do you believe $111,000 a year in repairs and maintenance necessary to live?
Objection, lack of foundation. Judge sustained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Regarding necessities to live, Strong asked Ackerman if a mortgage of $35,000 a month is necessary to live. He answered no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman read the footnote: the contract is not signed by MJ and such a signature was a condition precedent to any payment obligation.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Strong asked about the bill Panish said AEG submitted to MJ's Estate that included $300,000 for the cost of Dr. Murray's services.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "It was the most secured loan I've ever seen," Ackerman said. "It caused the interest rate to go way down."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h On top of that, Ackerman said Sony guaranteed they would pay $300 million in case everything else failed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h He also said there was a bankruptcy remote trust attached to the catalogue, if asset were to be sold the proceeds would first to repay debt.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman explained the Sony/ATV loan was very unique in many ways. He said it was collateralized by the catalogue itself.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said the Sony/ATV catalogue debt interest was 7%. This was the majority of the debt MJ had.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said Briggs did valuation of Sony/ATV catalogue for tax return purposed on behalf of MJ's Estate.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Strong asked about IRS' valuation of Sony catalogue. Ackerman said Briggs' opinion was that that asset was not that valuable.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said the MJ's income were from Sony/ATV and MIJAC catalogues. "You lose the asset, you lose the income," Ackerman opined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He couldn't get an increase in his $50,000 credit card limit," Ackerman said. "That's how bad it was."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman: There is a significant issue of doubt whether he (MJ) would be able to continue to provide support.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "As the debt continue to grow, the interest continued to grow," Ackerman explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "There were just no shortage of people he had to pay," Ackerman explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said on top of that there were creditors debts in the amount of $100 million.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman listed MJ's debts:
Sony/ATV
Neverland
Condo
Hayvenhurst
MIJAC

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Strong: Were there other outstanding debt for Mr. Jackson at the time Tohme was holding the $5 million for MJ?
Ackerman: Huge

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Mr. Barrack was in the frame of mind that MJ didn't have enough income to support his spending and lifestyle," Ackerman testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said there was very strong language in Michael Kane's deposition that Michael Jackson was tapped out.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He dug himself a very deep hole," Ackerman explained. "He was tapped out."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said yes, that the bars included interest, business, personal, all that came out of MJ's checkbook, since he was responsible 4 all

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Strong: Does that include business and personal spending?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Strong showed exhibit with chart Ackerman made regarding MJ's expenses. Ackerman said the bars show what MJ actually spent.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I believe I shared multiple data points of how much Mr. Jackson spent on the last 8 years of his life," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish concluded, Sabrina Strong did re-direct. She asked the witness if there a difference between consumption and spending. He said no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: For $1.6 million, it's your and Briggs' opinion, that MJ's loss of future earning could be zero?
Ackerman: That's a possibility.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked if support could've been zero. "I guess in that situation yes, it could have been zero," Ackerman responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "It could be zero support too," Ackerman opined. "He was in pretty bad financial situation."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said that was correct, if you were to believe MJ would continue to give the same support as previous years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: And in your opinion is that the children lost $21.5 millions in future support?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did Mr. Briggs put no figure for loss of income for MJ's life? Ackerman: That's correct.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "The reality is that Mr. Jackson could lose money," Ackerman said, pointing that MJ had debts that could offset anything he earned.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "My fundamental understanding his (Briggs) testimony is that Mr. Erk's calculations were speculative," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked if Briggs said the amount for future earning for MJ would be zero. Ackerman said he doesn't remember Briggs putting a number.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did Mr. Briggs give an opinion the amount MJ would lose in future earnings?
Ackerman: I don't recall.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did Mr. Briggs give a number for loss of future earnings for MJ? Ackerman said he recalls Briggs saying projections were speculative

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Ackerman said had Erk included interest, the red bar would go much higher, since most of the expenses are interest.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked if Ackerman knows that Erk did not include the interest rate in his calculations of consumption. He said yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Judge then broke session for lunch. We should be back shortly.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman: I have a vague recollection of seeing this number. Panish showed documents to Ackerman to refresh his recollection.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: Do you know if AEG submitted a $300,000 in expense that had been accrued for the the services of Dr. Murray?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "Today is typically after yesterday," Ackerman responded. Judge struck the answer.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked if he came up with numbers after speaking with his attorneys yesterday.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said the bars on the graph he showed yesterday include personal consumption.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: Have you prepared calculation of personal consumption for MJ per year?
Ackerman: I actually calculated something this morning.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: Did you do any discount rate of 7, 10 or 15%? Ackerman: No, I did not. I used 18%.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked if MJ decided to go on tour after meeting with Tom Barrack. Ackerman said it appeared that way.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "There's a really interesting tool called internet, there are a lot of things you can find there," Ackerman responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked where Ackerman researched Colony Capital and MJ's deals.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said Michael Jackson signed the contract with AEG to go back on tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish said MJ didn't want to liquidate his assets, instead he wanted to go back touring.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: Her never liquidated his assets, did he sir?
Ackerman: He never did.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: But didn't you testify yesterday the loan had no interest? Ackerman explained it was high interest loan but he didn't have to pay it

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman: Colony Capital came in when Neverland was about to be foreclosed and lent MJ $23 million with a very interest rate, by the way.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish showed Ackerman several bills from his firm where they researched Colony Capital and MJ's deal.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said there was some mention to it but doesn't remember the details of the meeting. The expert said his normally hour rate is $475.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked if Ackerman read Tom Barrack's testimony that he met with MJ several times to straighten his financial situation.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked if Ackerman read Randy Phillips' deposition where he said they were aware of MJ's finances.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: AEG knew MJ's financial condition when they entered into an agreement with him, didn't they, sir?
Ackerman: I don't know that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Sony/ATV catalogue -- there's a value
MIJAC catalogue -- there's some value
Neverland -- there's some value

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said he did not put a value on the assets MJ had. "Liability exceeded any amount of value of the assets," Ackerman testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "There was no equity in that asset in June 2009," Ackerman said he read in the documents.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said MIJAC catalogue was same amount of the debts on it. He said the value is about $ 75 million.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I'm having a really hard time using that number," Ackerman said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish said Briggs testified independent appraisal valued at Sony/ATV catalogue at $700 million: $300MM on top of $400MM MJ had in debt.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "It would not change my conclusion, no sir," Ackerman explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked Ackerman if he read IRS valued of Sony/ATV catalogue at $700 million.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h MJ had a $320 million debt against the Sony/ATV catalogue. Ackerman said the highest interest rate was 16.85%.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Formuzis used 7% discount rate. Panish asked if Ackerman used the same rate. "It's an improper rate why would I do that?" Ackerman responded

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish showed Ackerman Formuzis analysis and the calculation for personal consumption and professional fees.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman looked at docs in his binders, said he doesn't have original numbers w/ him. He said the calculations need to be done in software

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked Ackerman for amount he used for the chart before he applied the 18% discount rate to bring the final number to present value.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said he reviewed a lot of trial testimony, but even more depositions in this case.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked what percentage of his work is in wrongful death cases. "Very small percentage," Ackerman responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman doesn't recall being qualified as expert witness for plaintiffs in a wrongful death case.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said he never testified in court on a wrongful death case. He worked on a handful of such cases.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Bill from damages experts for AEG:
Briggs -- $700,000
Ackerman -- $900,000
Total: $1.6 million

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h The bill for Ackerman's firm is about $900,000 currently. Panish wrote on a board what other damages expert for AEG charged.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked if he thought MJ would give the kids everything he thought important. Ackerman responded MJ wanted his children to be humble

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: Do you agree MJ was a very generous person?
Ackerman: I absolutely agree with that.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: Did you see he donated over $60 million to charity?
Objection, sustained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman testifies he saw on documents that MJ was going to donate the proceeds of "Dangerous" tour to charity.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said there was no record of MJ's amount of donations over the years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: Did you know MJ gave Mrs. Jackson a $500,000 RV?
Ackerman: Yes, it was in my analysis.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish: You can't tell us what support he would be able to provide, right, sir?
Ackerman: I think that's for the jury to decide.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman said MJ received $6.2 million in advance from AEG. Panish said MJ received $23 million in 6 months in 2009.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman: He would not be able to provide support for his mother and children then.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He could've been bankrupt within 6 months as far as I know," Ackerman opined. Panish asked if after bankruptcy MJ wouldn't have debt left.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I can't speculate what he'd give for support" Ackerman said. "I do know he was in very precarious financial situation at the time he died.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman: Acording to this table a male of 50 years old would be 29.6 years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Panish asked what was the life expectancy for a 50 year old male based on the table he used to calculate Katherine Jackson's life expectancy

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Ackerman is back on the stand for cross examination. Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, doing the questioning.

by **Admin** Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:23 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m For the latest, watch @ABC7 and go to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . Have a good evening everyone!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Debbie Rowe is expected to take the stand tomorrow. We hope to see you then for complete coverage of her testimony.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m That ended the video deposition. Jurors ordered to return tomorrow at 10:45 am PT. Juror 6 has a court hearing somewhere else.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m May 1998 was last time Dr. Sasaki saw and spoke with MJ. He knew doctors Hoefflin, Klein and Metzger treated MJ back then.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m "I'm totally ignorant regarding that," Dr. Sasaki said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m He testified he is not familiar with MJ's announcement in 1993 about being dependent on prescription medication.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Dr. Sasaki said MJ was the only patient he injected with Demerol.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m "Because I don't do that kind of surgery that requires that kind of pain medication," Dr Sasaki testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Q: About how often do you prescribe Demerol? A: None

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Dr. Sasaki explained Demerol is for acute pain, not chronic pain, following major surgery.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Aug 15, 1993 Dr. Sasaki prescribed Demerol to MJ under Omar Arnold. This was the first and last time Dr. Sasaki gave Demerol to MJ, he said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Dr. Sasaki said he injected site with pain reliever, gave Demerol 100 mg, suggested MJ to see pain specialist.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m On Aug 15, 1993, Dr. Sasaki said he saw patient, with Debbie Rowe. He was complaining to pain in scar area, area had healed completely.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Percocet prescription, 45 tablets each time, were prescribed on: July 3, July 20 and Aug 10, 1993.
Q: Was that very frequent?
A: Frequent

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Dr. Sasaki told Dr. Klein and MJ he would no longer prescribe Percocet to MJ since he was asking for too much.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Dr. Sasaki said he prescribed 45 tablets of Percocet each time.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Q: Was he taking too much?
A: Yes
Q: Where you the only person prescribing Percocet to MJ?
A: I don't know

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m "I was concerned about pain patterns and his use of Percocet," Dr. Sasaki testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Dr. Sasaki suggested to Dr. Klein that MJ be seen by a pain management specialist.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Doctor said pain was normal 4-6 weeks after surgery due to the nerves growing back.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m On Aug 10, 1993, Dr Sasaki received a phone call from Dr. Klein that MJ was experiencing extreme pain.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m On July 20, 1993, there was another request for Percocet, due to strenuous rehearsals, prescribed with the knowledge of Dr. Klein.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Dr. Sasaki said he spoke with Dr. Klein and that Klein suggested Percocet.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m On July 3, 1993, Dr. Sasaki prescribed Percocet for MJ. It was the first time he prescribed pain medication to MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Dr. Sasaki said he told Debbie Rowe that the area should be exposed to air as much as possible to heal.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m He said MJ was experiencing pain due to his work and rehearsals. He had to wear a hairpiece to camouflage the scar.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Dr. Sasaki testified from his record that on June 30, 1993 he had the first post op follow up at the Dr. Klein's office.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Dr. Sasaki said normally a patient who undergoes that kind of surgery has pain lasting for 6 weeks.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Q: Did you prescribe any medication to MJ?
A: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Dr. Sasaki said he did the surgery but didn't see the patient until 2-3 months later, which is highly unusual.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Dr. Sasaki: I think when you're dealing with high profile clients, some doctors prefer to keep it under control.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m He said he never talked to MJ about the pain treatment.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Dr. Sasaki said if he doesn't see the patient regularly he prefers not to give pain medication.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Q: Did you provide any post operation pain care?
A: None
Q: Was that unusual?
A: It's highly unusual

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Dr. Sasaki said that with celebrities, when he doesn't get to see patients frequently, he prefers not to treat them.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Dr. Hoefflin strongly suggested he managed the pain medications since he knew the patient better.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Dr. Sasaki prepared a summary of all the treatment of MJ on Feb 7, 2013. He wrote Dr. Hoefflin told him MJ had a low threshold to pain.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m He said he was there for medical purposes, though, The visits may have been 5 years apart.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m "More than talking about him, we talked about the Bible," Dr. Sasaki said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Dr. Sasaki: I think he just wanted to have me look at his wound, which was healing quite well.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Dr. Sasaki said he visited Neverland Ranch twice, once with his family and once at MJ"s request.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Dr. Sasaki: We went up there, he was not there, but he was not supposed to be there. The staff served us lunch and showed us around.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Dr. Sasaki: He was kind enough to invite myself and my family to Neverland.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m The scar was in the middle part of the scalp, Dr. Sasaki said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m He said he understands the burn happened during a Pepsi commercial and it had healed, but MJ wanted to reduce the scar.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Dr. Hoefflin was his first assistant in the surgery. Dr. Sasaki said he knew generically that in 1988 MJ had a burn in is scalp.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m Dr. Sasaki said the method results in about 30% more skin from stretching. He then put ballon in the scalp to stretch further to cover scar

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m He then put stitches going from one side of the metal to the other, crank it to put the sides together.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m The surgery in 1993 lasted about half an hour. Dr. Sasazi explained he put a metal on a side of the defect and a metal on the other side.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m The consultation with MJ and Dr. Hoefflin was set up, Dr. Sasazi said. Dr. Hoefflin is a well known plastic surgeon in Los Angeles.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Dr. Sasaki said he was asked to assist him in providing different alternatives to take care of the bald spot on his scalp.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Dr. Sasaki on how he met MJ: I received a phone call from Dr. Steven Hoefflin, a plastic surgeon.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Dr. Sasaki said the other two doctors were Steven Hoefflin and Arnold Klein. At some point Dr. Metzger as well, he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Dr. Sasaki said the care was placed into two other doctors that Mr. Jackson thought would be the best.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Dr. Sasaki: The medical care, which included post operation and pain management, were taken out of my hands willingly.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Second surgery was on October 31, 1997 for scar revision to reduce the width of the reduced scar on the scalp.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m March 16, 1993 was the first surgery Dr. Sasaki performed on MJ. It was to reduce scar on the scalp, the bald spot.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Dr. Sasaki said he did two surgeries on MJ's scalp and 3 on the upper lip for contouring.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m He laughed at that last comment.
Q: Did you ever provide medical treatment to MJ? A: Yes, I did.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Dr. Sasaki served in Vietnam and wore several hats as doctor, including anesthesia and plastic surgery on days off.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m He went to Yale University for his medical school, graduated in 1968.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Q: Question by attorney
A: Answer by Dr. Sasaki
He graduated from Pomona College in 1964, degree in Bachelor of Arts.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 18m Jury entered at 3:27 pm PT. Katherine Jackson left for the day. AEG called their next witness via video deposition Dr Gordon Hiroshi Sasaki

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19m Defendants have filed a motion for non-suit already. Judge said she won't rule on it right away.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19m Panish to tell the judge in the morning. She wants to tell the jury and put it in the record.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19m Outside the presence of the jury, there was a discussion with the attorneys whether plaintiffs have formally rested their case.

by **Admin** Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:36 pm

Debbie Rowe was on the stand today. Here come the tweets finally! It was over 10 minutes since they tweeted hello-so stay tuned

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Very busy day today in Jackson family vs AEG trial. Debbie Rowe took the stand.

by **Admin** Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:16 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m She said she called Metzger as a friend, since it was probably not appropriate to call another doctor to rat out the doctor you worked for

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m ... and I needed one doctor to talk to me. And I chose Dr. Metzger." Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Rowe said docs Klein and Hoefflin were competing. "I was concerned that he was not getting better, the two doctors were going back and forth

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Rowe went to see MJ twice a day and over the weekend when he had the surgery.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Michael Jackson's doctors:
Hoefflin -- plastic surgeon
Metzger -- internist
Klein -- dermatologist

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Rowe said Dr Sasaki prescribed Percodan and Vicodin to MJ after the scalp surgery. Sasaki's procedure on MJ was extremely painful, Rowe said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Rowe: If someone comes to you and say they're the best at what they do and someone else that you see claims the same, who do you listen to?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m "His fear of pain was incredible," Rowe said, crying. "And I think the doctors took advantage of him in that way."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m MJ asked Rowe to be present to make sure everything was ok. "Michael had a very low pain tolerance," she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m "So he listened to the doctors." Rowe said the doctors were Klein and Hoefflin.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m "Unfortunately some doctors decided when Michael was in pain that they would try to outbid each other on who could give the better drug"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Rowe begins to cry. "Michael respected doctors tremendously that they went to school and studied. And meant no harm," Rowe said, crying.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Putnam: How about Vicodin?
Rowe: Not for procedures in the office.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Putnam: How about percodan?
Rowe: No
P: Valium?
R: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m "He had a low tolerance for pain," Rowe said.
Putnam: Where there other drugs for pain?
Rowe: The only thing was 100 mg of Demerol.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Rowe said they'd give MJ 100 mg of Demerol intramuscular. "I gave him the injection," she said. "Because of the pain of collagen injection."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Putnam: Was he being given pain medication or numbing? Rowe: Not in the beginning, I think we did it without anything once or twice.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m MJ was receiving collagen before the tour for acne scar. Botox was not available yet.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m She said she doesn't remember when collagen was approved by FDA. I know for sure it was during "Dangerous" tour. Putnam said it was 1992/93

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m She said she didn't move to Palmdale until 2002. Rowe said besides acne, they treated MJ for lupus and vitiligo.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m They spoke regularly until they were divorced. Rowe said she married MJ in 1996. They were married for 3 years.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m "He came in more frequently," Rowe said after MJ was diagnosed with lupus in 93. "We would speak on the phone, quite often."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m She said she's great hand holder but not a good to have scientific discussions. And Michael liked her casualness that way.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Rowe said Dr. Klein would call her, but she was probably the worse nurse, not formal at all.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m "He was there for acne," Rowe responded. MJ was a patient of Dr. Klein until the time he passed away.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Putnam asked what kind of treatment it was. Rowe asked judge if she's allowed to disclose medical information about patient. Judge said yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m This was the first time, to Rowe's knowledge, that MJ went to see Dr. Klein.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m "And nobody does what I do better, I'm amazing." She said MJ laughed about it and that's when the friendship started. This was in 1982 or 84

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m Rowe said she opened the door of the room and MJ was there. "I introduced myself, said nobody does what you do better, you're amazing."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m She said even though they we not registered nurses, Dr. Klein called them nurses instead assistants.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Rowe said Dr. Klein would see high profile patients after hours or weekend. She got a call from Dr. Klein and tried really hard not to go.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Rowe did Antioch University for 2 1/2 years. She got a degree in psychology. Rowe left LA and started her horse breeding in Palmdale.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m "Michael encourage me to go back to college," Rowe said, that's why she left Dr. Klein's office in 97.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m She explained the procedure, return call for the doctor, did biopsy reports, scheduled appointments.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m She worked with Dr Klein until 1997. Rowe said she'd take patients to the room, take their history, find out why they came to see the doctor

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Rowe said Klein is a dermatologist, began working on skin diseases, then specialized on Botox and collagen, which he's most known for now

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m "He was a legend in his own mind," Rowe said about Dr. Klein. "We had a very high profile clientele."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m One of the girls who studied with her worked in the insurance billing of Klein's office and said the dermatologist was looking for assistant

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m She graduated high school in 1977, went to college for a year, EMT class and then began working at Dr. Klein.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Rowe began working with Dr. Klein in July 1978-79. She said she's not good with dates, but is good with facts. "I hated history," she jokes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Rowe studied to be EMT -- Emergency Medical Technician. She worked for extern time with Shaffer ambulance company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m She went to Hollywood High, Valley College, studied to be a nurse tech, EMT, began working with Dr. Klein.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Rowe's father was a pilot for the Air Force. Her parents divorced, the kids moved to Los Angeles. Rowe was 11.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Rowe said she breeds and trains quarter horses and paint horses for 10 years. She was born in Spokane, Washington.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m "He became a patient, that's how I met him," Rowe said about MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Rowe said she lives 60 miles away. "I sat in traffic at a light for 20 minutes! 20 minutes! "

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Putnam named several attorneys for both sides and asked Rowe if she knew them. She knew some by name only, mostly she said no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Putnam: Did you do anything to prepare for your testimony today?
Rowe: I took a shower (people laughed).

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Putnam: How are you doing today?
Rowe: It's a little warm in here.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Deborah J. Rowe on the stand.
AEG attorney Marvin Putnam is conducting the direct examination. She's testifying pursuant to a subpoena.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Katherine Jackson was present in court, wearing a floral jacket with purple, fuchsia and grey.

by **Admin** Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:33 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe then points to Jessica Bina, attorney for AEG, and says "She's mad because... what????" Judge said attorneys need to talk sometimes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I found out Forecast had gone 2 Bangkok, 1st thing he did he gave MJ 100mg of demerol, screwed everything up we had done" Rowe said, crying

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe called Metzger and said she was concerned about what had happened.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I offered to go over everything with him, he just grabbed the bag, said I know what I'm doing, and left," Rowe recalled crying.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said Metzger had given specific notes on how to give MJ the meds. "I met this doctor at the Peninsula," she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: I got a call back, said I needed to take all the meds I had to wean him off Demerol and take to this doctor at the Peninsula Hotel.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: I didn't know he was leaving. I called Dr. Metzger and told how concerned I was.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said she was told 'well they took him, there's nothing we could do.'

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam asked what happened when she arrived at MJ's house and everything is gone. Rowe said she was told MJ's gone on tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He was going so well, I didn't want anything to screw up," Rowe testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "It was a fight to get him there because he had such fear the pain that would happen if we didn't catch it," Rowe recalled.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: Michael was getting ready to go on tour, he wasn't completely off Demerol, but he was right there.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: What were you concerned about? Rowe: It was the Demerol and him going on tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said the closer it got for MJ to go on tour, the more often it became (visits to Klein). He'd have to fly Klein and became expensive.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam asked about the Fentanyl patch. Rowe said she doesn't know the details of the patch, but knows about the patch.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "We couldn't get a grip on the pain, when tissue expands gets bigger and bigger gets more pain," Rowe

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Did you ever tell Klein you changed the doses? Rowe: No. He was my boss, he was the doctor, he didn't need to know I called Metzger

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: There were times I'd take the Demerol out and give more Disteril. Because I didn't think he needed that much.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h She said the disteril was to give less demerol. Disteril is like benadryl, she explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said it started with 50 mg of Demerol, Klein bumped up to 100 mg then 100 mg with 50 mg of disteril.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Was Dr. Klein giving MJ Demerol? Rowe: If he was seeing Klein for acne treatment, yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said she took meds from Klein's office and she knows Hoefflin's drugs came from his office also, there was no prescription.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I didn't leave dilaudid with him and didn't leave the medication that Klein sent him," Rowe explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Not a contest, a pissing match," Rowe said. Rowe said MJ was fine the next morning, he didn't need anything.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: We couldn't get grip of pain, Sasaki had stepped away, Hoefflin and Klein were having a pissing contest over who gave him better drugs

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said there was Dr. Sasaki in 93, Sheraton going on, MJ was getting ready for a tour, a leg of a tour, I don't know which.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said she doesn't know why MJ was at the Sheraton, she thinks he never told her.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: He liked to talk on the phone, you couldn't understand him, I didn't want him to embarrass himself. I was there all night.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: What did he answered? Rowe: He said yeah, and then I asked if he was ok. Then I unplugged all the phones in the hotel room.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: What did you say? Rowe: I'm taking this, you're f***ed up, I'm sorry.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: You took them? Rowe: I put them in my purse P: Did you tell him you were taking it? R: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: He was heavily under the influence of whatever Hoefflin had given him. The bottle on the dresser when I walked in and I took the pills

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Was this around the time of the first allegations against MJ? Rowe: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I left the office and stayed with him at the Sheraton," Rowe said. She believes dilauded is a morphine.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: MJ had seen Hoefflin, Hoefflin had given him dilaudid and MJ called Klein. Klein didn't understand anything he was saying on phone.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I don't remember if it was worse and worse (the pain), or it was just not getting better," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said after the procedure with Dr. Sasaki in 93, she was concerned with MJ's use of prescription drugs.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said MJ was getting Diprivan with Dr. Hoefflin because it was for surgical procedure.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said she was assigned to MJ. "He was my patient," she said. She was the assistant Michael would have.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said in "Dangerous" tour (92-93) there was collagen for nasal-labial fold, acne treatment and management of lupus.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: It's when you get to the eyes and around the eyes, it does hurt. We didn't start doing the center of the face until later.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: When he'd lose weight, this would come up. He would lose weight because he was rehearsing. He lost 8-9 lbs of water every show he did.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h But the pain was closer to the nose area because of the scaring, it was turning black and blue.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said in the beginning when they did the collagen they were doing it on the nasal-labial fold.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Did you believe when he told you he was in pain? Rowe: Klein was injecting him in the lower eyelid, yeah, I believed him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said MJ didn't come in for collagen unless he had to do a performance or appearance somewhere.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He didn't have that before, the Demerol he got was enough," Rowe explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: After his scalp surgery, it's when the issue with his pain became more of a problem. His fear of pain became a bigger issue.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: We tried not using an anesthesiologist, and that's when Klein suggested to use Demerol.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: How often was he seeing Dr. Klein? Rowe: In the early 90s, not that often.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h She said MJ would go in sometimes every 6 months, some times sooner than that to see Dr. Hoefflin.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said the scalp surgery was different from the time he was having scar tissue on his nose and couldn't breathe.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "You make it sound like he was going in all the time, but he wasn't," Rowe said crying. "You're talking about a 12 year period."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I don't know what the difference in how they sedated Michael," Rowe said. Putnam: Did it concern you?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: For whatever reason, he was in the recovery room for 5-6 hours as opposed to an hour in our office.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe clarified that MJ wasn't put to sleep, he didn't have the IV running, he was in the recovery room sleeping.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Rowe: He was put down, procedure didn't take 1 hour, but for some reason the anesthesiologist put him under, he slept longer than Fournier.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Putnam: Why did you insist on that?
Rowe: I wanted to make sure he woke up (crying)
Putnam: You were insisted to be there?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Putnam: Did he get sleep at doctor's office?
Rowe: Sometimes
Putnam: Do those include the 3 times he was out of the country?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Rowe: Not until we became friends
Putnam: Did he ever discuss it with you?
Rowe: Only when I was there

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Putnam played video deposition of Rowe.
Putnam: And did you have an understanding MJ would seek help to sleep at doctor's office?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Putnam: So he didn't get put under to get sleep?
Rowe: No, I misunderstood what you asked (during her deposition).

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Putnam: Did he tell you he sometimes went to a doctor to be put under to sleep? Rowe: It was he got sleep after he had the procedure done.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m "He did have trouble sleeping," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m She testified that after Hoefflin put him out, it took him 4-5 hours to wake up. Whereas in Klein's office, in one hour he was fine.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Putnam asked if MJ talked about going to doctors office to sleep. "He talked with Dr. Metzger about that," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m After lunch, Rowe is back on the stand. Putnam: How are you doing, Ms. Rowe? Rowe: I missed you... Everybody laughed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m She said Dr. Klein has 5-6 patients who take Diprivan for collagen injection and Botox.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 34s Rowe said MJ got Diprivan (Propofol) when Dr. Klein injected collagen, if we had to do acne treatments.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 43s Rowe said she doesn't remember who the person giving Diprivan was in Dr. Hoefflin's office. She described Fournier as a very nice man.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Rowe: He was allowed to do it until 1996, when law changed and it had to be done at surgery center.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Rowe: Fournier is a nurse anesthetist, would come to the office with all the equipment to monitor Michael.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Putnam: Otherwise he would not have Propofol? Rowe: Diprivan. All the time I went to see Dr. Hoefflin he put him under.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Putnam asked when Propofol was used in MJ. "Only with the injections for scaring around the nose," Rowe responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Putnam: But he told Michael he had done the procedure?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Rowe explained Dr. Hoefflin said he didn't see the scaring in MJ's nose, so he wasn't going to do the procedure.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Rowe said when anesthetist David Fournier woke MJ up, it was maybe 1 hour for Michael to recover. With Hoefflin, she was there for 4-6 hours

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m "It took him a little while to wake up, 4-5 hours, which I think it's normal for plastic surgeon."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m "He didn't treat him, he would tape him as he had injected him," Rowe testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Rowe said there were occasions Michael asked Hoefflin to do inject steroids on his nose, and Dr. Hoefflin would put MJ out.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Rowe: However, there were occasions that MJ wanted to have it, he had extensive scarring on his nose that made it difficult to breathe.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Hoefflin had an anesthesiologist and surgical suite in his office. Over the years, Rowe said Hoefflin gave Diprivan to MJ probably 10 times

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Rowe said Klein had a handful of patients who got Demerol for collagen injections.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m MJ was getting Diprivan for procedures. Rowe said she doesn't know if it was at Dr. Hoefflin or Klein's office, maybe for collagen injection

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Rowe said she didn't know anything about Propofol back then. She now knows Diprivan is the same as Propofol.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m She would come back if MJ needed. That lasted 6 weeks, until MJ went on tour, she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Rowe: He (MJ) had a place in Century City, I worked in BH, I would be there every day to take lunch, stopped before going home.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m "I was the one giving the medication to Michael at the time," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Rowe: To wean him off narcotic to non-narcotic, because he was leaving to go on tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Dr. Metzger laid out plan to reduce Demerol and substitute medication for non-narcotic.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Rowe said she ended up with Michael all the time, until the procedure was over. "I think he had to rehearse for the tour."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m "He was so afraid of pain because the pain was so great," Rowe recalled.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m "No, because I took it away," Rowe said. "Hoefflin gave it to him and I said no, you're not taking it. So I threw it away."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Dilaudid is a form of morphine, she said. Putnam asked if MJ took the stronger painkiller.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m "These idiots were going back and forth all the time and not caring about him," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m "You don't call someone and say here, let's take dilaudid instead of aspirin when you're trying to get off," she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Putnam: What was your concern with Dr. Hoefflin? Rowe: Overprescribing medications.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m "His sensitivity to pain was off the charts at this time," Rowe explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m He didn't want to wear the hairpiece, Rowe said. They were going in and having ballon expansion surgery every week.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Rowe said that after the burn, his scalp had scars and, because he was black, he developed keloid, thickening, painful scars.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Putnam asked if there was any other doctor who treated until he passed. "Dr. Murray got in there and killed him, so I don't know," she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m "The only physician who ever did anything, who cared for Michael was Dr. Metzger," Rowe said, crying again.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m "Klein was not doing what was the best for Michael," Rowe testified.

by **Admin** Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:01 am

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 43m "He said he was at the end of his rope and didn't know what else to do," Rowe recalled. P: Did he indicate he had done it before? R: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 44m Putnam: Why diprivan not sedative, sleeping pills? Rowe: I think he tried and it didn't work. And if he couldn't sleep, he couldn't perform.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 44m Rowe said Dr. Metzger talked to Michael and it wasn't Dr. Metzger's first choice.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 45m She said it was a little drastic to do something like that and they were in another country, she didn't know the name of the medications.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 45m "They had set everything up and Metzger said the doctors were coming." Rowe said she voiced her concerns to MJ and Metzger.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 45m Rowe said MJ had called Metzger and said he didn't sleep. "I called Metzger to find out what we could do," Rowe described.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 46m "I didn't know we were going to have a second time." She said she didn't know there was going to be a first time either.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 46m Rowe said Propofol was not done in Paris and London. In Germany, MJ was in a hotel room, doctors came in and set it up.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 46m Rowe explained the German tour: Day 1 night before show -- Propofol Day 2 show Day 3 nothing Day 4 Propofol Day 5 show

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 46m "There's no way he could ever do concert 2 nights in a row," Rowe testified. "His shows were so physical, usually had 1-2 nights in between"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 48m Putnam: Two nights in a row? Rowe: You guys haven't seen a concert of his

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 48m "I believe it was set up through Dr. Metzger," she said. Putnam: And no procedure was being done, just to sleep? Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 48m Putnam: So in Germany during HIStory tour, MJ was taking propofol/diprivan to sleep? Rowe: Only those two occasions.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 49m Rowe said Prince was a baby, it was 1996, 97 during HIStory tour. "There were 2 anesthesiologists and equipment, looked like surgical suite"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 50m Putnam asked about MJ using Propofol for sleep. It happened only in Germany, and it was 2 days, she responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 51m "He wasn't in the office an inordinate amount of time," Rowe testified. She said she saw him on set of "Ghost" and he looked great.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 51m Putnam: Did he continue to receive Demerol until the time you left Klein? Rowe: He did.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 51m There were occasions MJ would receive Demerol, she said. After the surgery the area that was done fell apart and started with the pain again

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 52m Rowe said MJ needed a driver because he was always on the phone. She would drive him from Klein's office to the studio.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 52m Rowe: No, because he was fine, he was clean. At that time he was really, really busy recording HIStory album.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 52m Putnam: After that, was there ever a time you were concerned with his use of Demerol? Rowe: Not like that, no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 52m P: Did you talk to him about it? R: No, it didn't interest me at the time. He said he was feeling better and was ok, Rowe testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53m As far as she knows MJ completed the rehab program. Putnam: Did you see after rehab? Rowe: Yes P: How did he look? R: He looked great

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53m Rowe: I asked security to talk to the doctor, they said I needed to get it cleared, and was told no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53m "He foolish trusted a lot of people," Rowe said. "He knew I was going to go and chew his a** out."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 54m Putnam: Did you confront Dr. Forecast? Rowe: They would not let me see him, the management people.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 54m "Forecast was yet another doctor who didn't put him first as a patient, as a human being," Rowe expressed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 54m Rowe: He felt that he had disappointed me. I told him he hadn't disappointed me, I blamed it on Forecast.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m "I said it will pass, you haven't done anything wrong, you just need to be strong," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m "I can't make everything better as much as I want to, so you have to do it," Rowe testified she told MJ. She cried on the stand again.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 55m She said she flew off the handle, asked why he flew off the handle, why got angry. "I'm not about to lose my friend over this," Rowe claimed

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m "Michael and I had a few fights and when we had them it was lulus," Rowe described.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m He went to some place in England, rehab. Putnam: Did he admit he had a problem? Rowe: He knew that he screwed up. He knew he was messed up.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m This fight went on for 2-3 days, Rowe said. "You have to go somewhere to get better or it's not gonna work," Rowe told MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 58m "You go to Puerto Rico is like going to US," Rowe told MJ. "You need to straighten up, face whatever is going on and we will get through it"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 59m It had only been 6 weeks since Rowe had seen Michael. "Then I went to Mexico City and he was a completely different person," she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 59m "I thought Forecast was hurting him not helping," Rowe explained. "He was arrogant."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 59m Rowe: I was angry that Forecast had intercepted Metzger, that Forecast had undermined everything that was done.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "We got in a fight," Rowe said. "I'm hot headed, I went off on him about Forecast."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: He wasn't making eye contact, he wasn't speaking, he didn't make sense when he did and he said was having problem with his scalp again

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: I walked into the room, his suites were never a mess. The suite was a mess. He wasn't kept, he was always kept.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He was on something, that he was taking something. I thought he was back on Demerol," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He was depressed, he had taken something, I don't know what he had taken or he had gotten it from," Rowe recalled.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He was a hot mess," Rowe said when she saw him in Mexico City.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said MJ was supposed to go to Puerto Rico after Mexico City, but never made it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Was there a time on tour you were concerned with MJ misusing Demerol? Rowe: Mexico City

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: I'd give Demerol and Disteril and Dr. Klein would treat him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: How do you travel with collagen? Rowe: It's almost like you ship the seed of love from a horse in a thermos. Everyone laughed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: How about Botox? Rowe: I don't think Botox was approved before I left.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Bad tour was just acne treatment," Rowe said. Dangerous tour was acne, collagen and vitiligo; HIStory acne, vitiligo, lupus, collagen.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Dr. Klein treated MJ while on tour. Rowe went with him. She remembered going on the Dangerous and HIStory tours and end of Bad tour.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said Dr. Metzger told her to bring all these to Dr. Forecast. She was told Dr. Forecast was going on tour with MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h She said she believes there was some Demerol, Toradol, notes, everything that had been done, Metzger's number, Klein's number.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said she was at the Peninsula Hotel for not even 5 minutes. She met Dr. Forecast on the lobby.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He was taking everything and being an arrogant a** about it," Rowe recalled.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "That's why I was so upset that Dr. Forecast was not listening," Rowe explained. "Forecast hadn't been in on anything over last few months"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: And when you went to his apartment everthing was gone? Rowe: I didn't know he was leaving.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Was it a difficult 3 weeks? Rowe: It was for Michael. The fear of the pain, he was very restless.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Do you know the amount of Demerol he was taking? Rowe: Dr. Metzger probably did because of the plan he had put together.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h During the 3 week period in Century City, she didn't say it was a problem. "I said you're taking too much, you can't take this forever."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said she told MJ in Mexico City that he had a problem with drugs.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Do you think Michael was proud of what he had done? Rowe: Michael was a prideful person.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Metzger said he was going to talk to Klein and Hoefflin. She heard Metzger on the phone w/ Klein, said they then became using disteril.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe: He respected the doctors and did what they were told to do by the doctors. I was concerned about what Klein and Hoefflin were doing

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He was worried about the pain," she said. "I was probably one of the only people who said no to him."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Did you stay to help him with surgery or get off the drugs? Rowe: Both

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He was my friend," Rowe said. They were friends, he was not a patient, she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Rowe said Metzger designed a plan to wean him off the drugs. She said she stayed in Century City with MJ most nights.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "He knew you don't stay on, you can't do narcotics forever. He knew that," Rowe recalled.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Putnam: Were you trying to get him off the drugs? Rowe: At the very end of this time period yes P: Why? R: Because he was going on tour

by **Admin** Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:00 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Here's our story on @ABC7: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Judge broke session until today at 9:30 am PT. Rowe is ordered back. We hope to see you here for full coverage.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Chang wants to show a picture of a black male's hand with vitiligo. Defendants objected, Chang asked for sidebar.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "His scarring was from the burn in the Pepsi commercial," Rowe said. MJ also had vitiligo, which causes discoloration of the skin.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h MJ had discoid lupus, which is a disease in the skin, Rowe said. Discoid lupus is not systemic lupus, which is all over the body.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h First time MJ went to Dr. Klein he was still in his 20s, and acne caused embarrassment, Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Chang: Despite what you think of him know, was Dr. Klein considered a respected dermatologist?
Rowe: He was, he was brilliant.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said at Klein's office they did studies of collagen and Botox. She knew Dr. Klein well.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Chang: But communication got complicated because of divorce lawyers?
Rowe: There were divorce lawyers/personal assistants that were annoying

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Chang: Do you agree you were close friends for 20 years?
Rowe: Yes, longer.
"It was not like we ever hated each other," Rowe said about MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said she reestablished seeing daughter Paris this year. She never spoke to the kids about this lawsuit.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Chang asked if prior to this year is it true she spent little time with Prince and Paris. Rowe said that was true.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe is not the legal guardian of either Prince and Paris Jackson. Mrs. Jackson and TJ Jackson are, she said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h She's here now because of defendant's subpoena, would not come to testify voluntarily.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe hung up on Mrs. Jackson's assistant when asked to talk to KJ's attorney because she said she didn't want to testify on anyone's behalf.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h At the day of the deposition, plaintiffs didn't show up. Rowe said AEG attorneys told her they didn't want to come.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Chang asked how Rowe was. "I have a headache to die for, I'm tired," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam concluded direct examination. Deborah Chang, attorneys for the Jacksons, did cross examination at 3:55 pm PT.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: Other than Germany, was there any other time MJ used Diprivan to sleep?
Rowe: Not that I was aware of, no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: I didn't know what Propofol was. I still didn't know. I think it was at a deposition I was told it was the same thing (as diprivan)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: I actually called Dr Klein and said 'what did you give him, you killed him'
"I thought he was responsible in some way" Rowe testified

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: When it came out he died of overdose of Propofol, how did you react?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Paris was 4 the last time Rowe saw Michael. That would've been in 2003.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said they would get together at Klein's office and talk. "Everybody agreed that it was a little too much to have Diprivan to sleep."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "Klein at one time was a brilliant physician, and it was very sad what happened to him," Rowe testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said that he told Grace if MJ didn't look ok to not let him alone with the baby.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: I wasn't sure how Michael would be when he woke up. We'd stay in different areas of the hotel because fans would keep the baby awake

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He needed somebody to be there for him, to not take him, to not look at him as a cash cow," Rowe expressed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I couldn't go in to Dr Klein's office and look at his chart, it's illegal. I felt if he wanted me there he'd talk to me about it" Rowe said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: We were married. When I was no longer working with Dr. Klein, I felt like I had a completely different role in his life.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: Michael could be strong for about 10 minutes, then reasonable and he respected Dr. Metzger very much.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: Because Metzger cared about Michael as a human being, wanted the best for him, talked to him for hours.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: After Michael and I decided to separate, Michael got "custody" of the doctors. It was more important for me that he had Metzger.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I'd go to Europe every other week to see Prince," Rowe said. "We were making Paris."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h She said her and Grace had been in the room while MJ slept. Rowe took notes of the procedure and gave Dr. Metzger to include in his chart.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: Did security, nanny see him being put under?
Rowe: No, I'm not going to let anyone in when he's sleeping. That's rude.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He never did it when I was around. It would not have happened," Rowe said about MJ using Diprivan/Propofol again to sleep.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "You don't give someone Diprivan to sleep. It's not appropriate, it's not a labeled use," Rowe expressed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: That wasn't going to happened again. It just wasn't going to happen again.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: After second time in hotel room, were you concerned he was going to do it again?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: But that was the only place that had happened that I had seen Michael have anesthesia, that was only place it happened, at Hoefflin's

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: He slept when he had the procedures at Hoefflin and he slept after Hoefflin had done the procedure.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He'd come to Klein's office and sleep," Rowe said.
Putnam: With Diprivan?
Rowe: No just sleep.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: In Germany, he was awaken within 1 hour after the drip had stopped. W/ Hoefflin, he was in the recovery room, with oxygen, for 5-6 hrs

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "Even with the doctors in Germany, he woke up," she said. "He was not sound asleep like when he saw Dr. Hoefflin."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said that before, MJ had gotten the procedures done and had gotten sleep.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said they were going to a sleep facility, she wasn't with him, she believes Dr. Metzger went along.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He always had a sleep disorder, but I don't remember why it had kicked in high gear like it had," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe recalled this was the end of the tour."I think we were going to address the issue after."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "They were a little more emphatically you can't do this, we are not doing this again," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: Dr. Stoll and his assistant did it. They did a physical, it was almost exactly the same as the first time.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe: He said he hadn't slept after the concert, I called Dr. Metzger, I believed it was decided this is something you can't do all the time

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: Did you remain concerned he had done this? Rowe: No, it was the one time

Putnam: But then he did it again one day later?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "I asked next day how he was feeling. He said he felt better," Rowe remembered.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said next day MJ warmed up with his voice coach on the phone and went to the venue, rested voice during the day, did meet and greet.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "It was a hard 8 hours period," Rowe said about Diprivan/Propofol. "It was 8 hours and that was it."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Rowe said the doctors did a physical on MJ prior. "I was very impressed, I was very comfortable with Michael being under their care."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: Did he seem worried at all?
Rowe: No, he just seemed worried about not sleeping.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "He had so many procedures done with Hoefflin I don't think he was worried about it," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: Did you tell him you were afraid he might die?
Rowe: No, I said what happens if you die.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h She's familiar with Fentanyl, Diprivan, but not Propofol, never used that word. "They warned him that any anesthesia is dangerous" Rowe said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h "They said it was the same stuff we had used in the States," Rowe explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Finally out of twitter jail. Here's the rest of Debbie Rowe's testimony yesterday.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h Putnam: Did he indicate he was worried about this?
Rowe: He didn't seem to be. We sat with the doctors and went over all the risks/concerns

by **Admin** Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:02 pm

There were nearly 300 ABC tweets yesterday-all the tweets finally came through a couple hours ago from yesterday 8/14-see above.

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by WeAreTheWorld. Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:58 pm

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"I didn't want anything they were giving him to affect his addiction to demerol," Rowe testified.

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Rowe: My fear in addition to harm, it was because he was clean, this was after he went to rehab.

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Rowe said the doctors had physicians desk reference book with them. They told Michael there was risk, including death.

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Chang: You would not allow any illegal procedure in the hotel room, correct?
Rowe: Yes. Not knowing.

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In 1996, the law prohibited the use of any anesthesia outside a surgical center.

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"I knew they were anesthesiologists, they had practice in Munich. I don't know if they had gone to hotels to do this," Rowe said.

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Rowe: I spoke to Metzger to make sure it was the same medication

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Rowe said she spoke with the doctors to make sure she knew what they were doing. The doctors spoke English.

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Rowe: Metzger had conversation w/ MJ. Apparently it was decided these doctors were going to give him anesthesia to put him to sleep 8 hrs.

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Chang: Outside the US, do they use Propofol to treat insomnia?
Rowe corrected: It was Diprivan.

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Rowe: I discussed with, I can assume that Dr. Metzger had a discussion with these doctors about what they were going to do.

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Chang: Based on your observations, he never asked for medication to sleep?
Rowe: Not that I knew of.

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There were 2 anesthesiologists that came over, Rowe said. They brought in heart monitor and equipment to the hotel, didn't hide anything.

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Chang asked about the conversation Rowe and MJ had with Dr. Metzger about him not sleeping while in Germany.

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Rowe: After HIStory he couldn't sleep, he talked to me and I said he had to talk to Metzger.

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Chang: MJ never sought out anesthesiologist just for the purpose to sleep prior to that, correct?
Rowe: Yes

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Around 1997, near the end of tour, he uses Propofol to sleep in Munich.

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Chang: Fournier never gave MJ anesthesia for just sleep, right?
Rowe: Correct

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Rowe: "I'd see him go 4 days without sleep because he was thinking of a song or a project he wanted to do."

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"He had difficulty to sleep anywhere, it wasn't just a tour problem," Rowe said.

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Chang showed video of woman on stage hugging Michael during "You're Not Alone" song. Rowe cried watching it.

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Rowe said security would give watches and rings. MJ would pick a girl to dance with him. "I thought that was so sweet."

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"He helped whoever he could" Rowe said.
Rowe: In concerts, those girls will kill you to get near the stage -- fans laughed in overflow room

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Rowe: He said you should incorporate horses with your love of animals. He paid for me to go back to school.

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Rowe locked herself in bathroom at Tower Records with MJ and called his security to pick them up. "I got in so much trouble," she recalled.

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Rowe: Then I hear from across the room 'Debbie, do you know this? Then everyone knew who he was, the store was packed in 20 minutes.

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She said at one time they went to tower records without security. She said there were only a few people in there, MJ was looking at CDs.

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Rowe: I drive a Celica, really, MJ in a Celica?

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Rowe said that when he was feeling depressed, she took him out. There were a lot of impersonators in the 80-90s.

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She said there wasn't a bunch of people, he could go and hang out.

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"I never realized that's a place he could go and it was quiet, and just be himself. It was nice, it was nice," Rowe recalled.

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Rowe said when MJ was very contemplative, they went to Forest Lawn (cemetery) over Griffith Park. "Michael loves sculpture," she explained.

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They didn't know what schiferella was, so MJ told her lets call Gregory Peck. Peck explained a bunch of things of the movie to them.

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Rowe said MJ would call her and say "To Kill a Mockingbird" is on. "He was great friends with Gregory Peck," she explained.

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Rowe said she would watch movies with MJ all the time. Some times they went to the movie theater, even though MJ had a theater at Neverland.

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Rowe said that when she worked with Dr. Klein, MJ's vitiligo got progressively worse.

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Regarding Hoefflin putting MJ down and not treating him, Rowe said: "I didn't think I saw it, I saw it! I was there, I saw it!"

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Attorneys talked over each other objecting. "I feel their pain," Rowe said pointing to the jurors.

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Rowe said she is nosy, so she checked all the medications the doctors gave him.

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Chang: Would you agree that MJ never sought after doctors just to get medication?
Rowe: Not that I know of.

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Rowe: Not every appointment was 'I have to see a doctor.' It was 'I'm going to have a performance, I need to have collagen.'

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Chang: In your opinion, when he saw doctors is because he needed it?
Rowe: That's very general...

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Chang: Did he have to search for doctors to give him drugs?
Rowe: No

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Rowe said she always instructed the nannies to have doctors on standby when they travelled and to keep notes of their treatment.

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Chang said in 2000 MJ was seeing a lot of doctors. Rowe said he had his doctors in LA.

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Rowe: There may have been, I don't know. I had not really heard about doctor shopping, specially at the degree we have today, back then.

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Chang: Was he treated like a cash cow?
Rowe: Yes
Chang: Was he engaged in doctor shopping?
Rowe: No

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Rowe said she tried to tell MJ he allowed doctors to control him too much, he should not be submissive.

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"When it came to the pain he wasn't dictating, it was begging for relief," Rowe described. "He trusted what doctors were doing."

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Rowe said there worse type of medical care is:
- very rich: can buy it
- very poor: can't afford any
- very famous: can dictate it

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Rowe: I knew that the only one who had Michael's best interest was Dr. Metzger. He treated him as a patient, human being and a friend.

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"Most important, he became a dad," Rowe said. "He said they take the oath to do no harm. He was very loyal to his physicians."

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Rowe said on "This Is It" MJ wasn't performing, it was just a run-through of what he would do on the show.

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"It was an athletic event to see him perform," Rowe explained.

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Rowe: He'd still ask 'how did I do, did I do ok?' Really dude, you didn't hear 55,000 people screaming? I think you did ok.

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Rowe: The show was amazing, the dancers wee amazing, Michael was so physical when he'd do his performance.

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"It was just, it was surreal, because I wasn't a fan, I was his friend first," Rowe explained.

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"MJ was my friend before anything else," Rowe said. "I'm so freaking lucky."

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Rowe: When I'd go to a concert and I was fortunate enough to be on stage, I'd see him.

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Chang: Did he try to hide any drugs from you?
Rowe: Not that I know of

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Chang asked if tours caused MJ extreme stress or anxiety. She said yes.

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Rowe said they would not allow her to talk to Forecast. Chang asked if she knew Forecast has been hired by the insurance company. Objection

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Chang: Did you ever hear the name Paul Gongaware?
Rowe: I don't know why I know the name.

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Chang: He made an announcement to the world he needed to get help?
Rowe: Yes

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"Next time I met Michael in Mexico City and he was a mess," Rowe recalled.

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Rowe: After procedure in 93, MJ went on tour and was doing that part of the tour until Forecast, I met him one time I didn't know who he was

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"He did not want pain," Rowe said. She said he had no choice but deal with the doctors.

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Chang: Just to be clear, not at the request of MJ?
Rowe: Yes

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"His biggest problem was that Dr. Klein and Dr. Hoefflin were trying to overprescribe medication," Rowe opined.

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Chang: Do you agree he did the best he could?
Rowe: Yes

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Chang: That's not how he wanted to be?
Rowe: Correct
C: Was he perfectionist?
R: Meticulous

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"He didn't want to be loopy," Rowe said. "When he had pain medication, he didn't go out. We stayed in, because he was slurring."

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Chang: He had legitimate need for pain medication?
Rowe: Yes
C: You agree MJ wanted to be responsible for pain management?
R: Yes

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She said they were doing demerol after surgery, then percocet.

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Rowe: I didn't want him to unnecessarily take, you don't take vicodin if you can do it with motrin, for example.

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Chang: Do you agree it was debilitating?
Rowe: Yes
C: And it was real?
R: Yes

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Rowe said it was like a blind migraine, he couldn't see, wasn't performing at time, he couldn't do anything.

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Chang: When he had pain, did he have cold sweats?
Rowe: Yes
C: Was he pale?
R: Yes

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"I don't know that his pain level went from 3 to 10, I know his fear accelerated because his fear of pain was so bad," Rowe explained.

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She said it was easier to assess the pain that way.
Chang: At what number he got scared?
Rowe: 3

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"Because he was my friend, I wanted to make sure he was ok." Rowe developed a pain scale to help measure Michael's pain.

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Rowe said, crying, that she went with Michael to other procedures out of love, not because she had to.

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Rowe: I wasn't assigned to help him recover, I took care of him when he came to see Dr. Klein.

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Chang: And you saw first hand his fight with pain?
Rowe: Yes

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Rowe said after cortisone shot, sometimes the keloid would go down, sometime it would get worse.

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Around 1997, it felt apart. "Because of the lupus it didn't hold down," Rowe said. He had lumpier, bumpier keloids.

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"There are time you cut keloid and you end up w/ bigger keloid," Rowe said. They wanted to have only 1 linear keloid on MJ's head to deal

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Chang: It literally expands, stretches the skin?
Rowe: Yes
"It was brutally painful," Rowe said. "It required pain medication."

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Rowe: What they show here is what happened to Michael. They would put saline every 7-10 days and let it stretch it out.

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The burn area couldn't grow hair, baldness also grew. "He hated it," Rowe said. That's when they called Dr. Sasaki, around 1993.

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Rowe: He had such significant scarring, he didn't have enough tissue left, there was no skin to stretch (to do reduction plastic surgery)

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Cortisone softens the tissue. "You could hear the skin popping when the medication was going in," Rowe said. "It was horribly painful."

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Rowe said keloid tissue is very dense, hard. To get cortisone in, you don't want it to get around the keloid, you want it to get in the area

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Rowe said Asian skin and Black skin are the worse for trauma.
Chang: And do you know keloids can be very painful?
Rowe: They are.

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Rowe explained there were areas the scars were linear and elevated, other areas looked like skin had been stretched, other it was very thin

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Chang: He had painful burn keloids?
Rowe: They were keloids, I don't believe there's a different between burn or a cut. A keloid is a keloid

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Chang: Was Dr. Hoefflin a very prominent plastic surgeon?
Rowe: Yes, and very, very good.

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Rowe said Michael wanted her present in all procedures. She said he always had problems with scar on burn scalp.

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Chang: And he was almost phobic to needles?
Rowe: Oh, he was phobic.
C: And sometimes you'd have to literally hold his hand?
R: I always did

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Rowe said Dr. Metzger was amazing, became MJ's internist. "And he was the best man in our wedding," she said.

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Chang: So it takes a dermatologist and rheumatologist to treat discoid lupus?
Rowe: Yes

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Rowe went with Michael to see other physicians. Dr Metzger is an internist and rheumatologist who treats auto-immune diseases, such as lupus

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Rowe said she told MJ he needed to be organized with his medication, get one of those morning, afternoon, evening pill organizer.

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Rowe: He knew I'd look after him, I wanted him to see the best physician, would find people who would take care of him.

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Chang: Did he appreciate that on you?
Rowe: He did, I think he felt refreshed. Because he couldn't do it, he was happy I could.

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"And if he was feeling down I'd do something to take his mind off of it," Rowe said. "I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says."

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Rowe said Michael had a really good sense of humor and they tried to find humor in stuff.

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Chang: Did you always make him laugh?
Rowe: Well, that was our relationship.

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Rowe said Michael didn't disclose it to his mother. He wanted her to know that he was okay and that she didn't have to worry about him.

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Chang asked if there was a comparison to elephant man. She said yes.
"He didn't really trust anyone at all," Rowe explained.

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Rowe said MJ cried about it, was embarrassed and felt disfigured. He was worried that people would see disfigurement before he would.

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"He's very shy, so for him to have all of these going on and being in public it was very hard," Rowe testified.

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Rowe: I didn't want him to feel as hopeless as he felt. We may not be able to make it perfect, but lets see what we can do.

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Michael's burn was very serious, Rowe explained.

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"You can't just slap cream around whenever you want, you need to get your skin checked," Rowe said. That's one of the reasons MJ saw Klein.

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Rowe said Dr. Klein tried different treatments, ultimately tried to de-pigment.

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Rowe said up until 99 MJ still had issues w/ it. "Vitiligo is seasonal, it'd come and go. Sometimes it'd be better and sometimes it wouldn't

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"Each time the pigment disappearead, it got bigger and bigger." She said that cause tremendous anxiety in Michael.

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Rowe said Michael had come to a point it (vitiligo) was going to stay, it wasn't going to get any better.

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Rowe: It's easier go lighter color and try to match with make-up. It's hard to match dark skin, they don't make good make-up for dark skin.

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"Everybody said he bleached himself, but he didn't," Rowe said.

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"For Michael, it came and went for a good period of the time. It was easy to cover with make-up," Rowe testified.

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"The thing with vitiligo, the color can come and go and if you go on the sun you can get sunburn," Rowe explained.

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Rowe said you couldn't look at it and say it was lupus. Then Chang showed picture of black male with vitiligo.

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Chang asked if traffic was better today. "It's Palmdale... it was actually worse today," Rowe responded.

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Debbie Rowe Was back on the stand. Jacksons attorney Deborah Chang resumed cross examination.

by **Admin** Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:11 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57s Dr. Slavit: I assessed his pulmonary status with stethoscope, no further pulmonary test done.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Dr. Slavit's form said MJ's vital signs were normal. Heart sound was normal, no murmurs.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m "That he was caring for him, that he was satisfied with the care he was getting, that's basically what he said," Dr. Slavit said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m Q: Did he tell you MJ said he liked Dr. Murray?
A: Yes
Q: Did he say he was a good doctor?
A: I don't know if used that word

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Other than Dr. Kantor no one else was mentioned as providing care, Dr Slavit said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m "It was a routine check-up," Dr. Salvit said. MJ didn't discuss the details of the visit.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Dr. Slavit: He reported seeing him a couple of months prior to the physical just for check-up.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Dr. Slavit explained Murray was identified by Mr. Jackson as his personal physician and reported seeing him as needed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m "Dr. Conrad Murray follows Mr. Jackson on a regular basis," the form said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Dr. Slavit didn't see anything that suggested MJ was not telling the truth. He didn't find any typical signs of narcotic intoxication.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m "He stated he was not taking any medications other than antibiotics," Dr. Slavit testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Q: Did he tell you he was taking painkillers?
A: He told me he was not taking any painkillers.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m He was on short course of antibiotics, Dr. Slavit said, he's not on any other medication.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Note on form says "today's found Mr. Jackson to be in excellent condition." It also says MJ had allergy and a bit of cold.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Q: Did you find MJ to be in great physical condition?
A: Based on the informaiton I had, yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Patient's name on blood work request: Mark Jones. It's an alias, Dr. Slavit said, just to protect Michael Jackson's privacy.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m The physical was done at MJ's house in Los Angeles, the doctor said.
Attorney showed documents doc prepared during and after the physical.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m Dr. Slavit never received any MJ's medical history, other than what the artist told him during examination.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m The doctor did not ask anything else other than 5 years medical history. He said he was not limited in MJ's examination at any time.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Q: Nothing about prior drug abuse?
Dr. Slavit: Not that I recall.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Dr. Slavit said insurance broker questioned MJ's breathing capacity, his pulmonary status and overall health.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m "There were questions that had been raised by the broker," Dr. Slavit said. He doesn't know specifically what was asked.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m Dr. Slavit said this is done if there were prior questions of medical health.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m "I'd say it's not typical," Dr. Slavit testified about getting 5 years prior of medical history, but he had done before other than MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m "Yes, I requested to reviewed the prior 5 years of medical records," Dr. Slavit said. He wanted to be as accurate as possible.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m "It was my understanding he was going to perform," Dr. Slavit said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m Bob Taylor contacted Dr Slavit somewhere in the months prior to the physical. "He basically asked if I would agree to do the physical on MJ"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m On Feb 4, 2009, Dr. Slavit conducted a physical on Michael Jackson in connection with a performance cancellation insurance.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Dr. Slavit said he's done approximately 20 times for Robertson Taylor, insurance broker.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m The majority of times, check comes from the insurance broker. He's done physicals in hotels, rehearsal studios, artist's home, office

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m He said he's done approximately 30 physicals for performance cancellation insurance, mostly for singers, but not all.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Q: Who typically contact you for performance cancellation insurance?
Dr. Slavit said it's usually insurance broker or artist management.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m He said he checks vital signs, ear, nose, throat, neck, eyes, examination heart, lungs, abdomen and peripheral pulses.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Dr. Slavit has performed physical for performance cancellation insurance.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m He explained the difference of physicals: problem-focus, more complete and comprehensive.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Dr. Slavit performed physical exams in hundreds of patients. He has performed physical for purposes of insurance, he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m He's licensed to practice medicine in New York and New Jersey. He's never been suspended.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m AEG called their next witness, Dr. David Hal Slavit, via video deposition. He's a board certified otolaryngology.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Chang: Did he do everything he could to be the best?
Rowe: He did

Rowe was excused.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Chang: Was the bag of medication to wean MJ off demerol before 1993 rehab?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m In re-cross, Chang questioned: When you asked Dr. Klein if anyone could be addicted to diprivan, he said no, correct?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m Putnam: After 2000, whatever happened to Mr. Jackson you don't have first knowledge?
Rowe: Correct

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m After the divorce, Rowe never talked to the doctors about Michael's treatment anymore.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m "The shows were all the same, just the girls were different," Rowe said. And joked: "Uah, that sounds so cheap!" Everyone laughed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Rowe: Dr. Metzger wanted to try Xanax and Michael said that hadn't work. I said you need to talk to each other and let me know what to do.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Rowe: I was just worried that part of the anesthesia would kick in. I was told you can't become addiction to it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m "He was a bit of a control freak, he didn't like to be high," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Before you go to sleep, there's a bit of loss of control, she explained. "I was worried that sensation might trigger an addiction."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m "I was told you can't become addicted to diprivan," Rowe testified. She said it was an anesthesia.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m Dr. Klein went to HIStory tour to do collagen touch ups, acne treatment.
He gave MJ demerol.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m Rowe said Dr. Metzger directed her to bring a bag of medication to the Peninsula Hotel for Dr. Forecast.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m HIStory tour was 96-97, Munich.
Putnam: Metzger had Jackson's interest in mind?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m She told him he had to stop everything. He said he was working on it.
Putnam: Including Diprivan?
Rowe: Yes, everything
P: In 1993?
R: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m Rowe said Michael called her while he was in rehab in England. She said she told him she was working, since normal people worked.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m Putnam: Did you asked Dr. Klein Michael was addicted to diprivan because of frequency he was using it?
Rowe: Yes. Late 80s, early 90s.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m Rowe: That was demerol, I called Dr. Metzger, I was concerned about demerol. Dr. Metzger said up disteril, lower demerol.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m This was early 90s. She was concerned MJ was coming in for the drugs.
Putnam: You grew concerned about diprivan intake, approached Klein?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m "I didn't understand why he would come twice for collagen when he just had it done," Rowe questioned.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Rowe said she asked Michael Jackson are you here because you really need collagen, or why are you here.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m "But when injection was under the eye, it was painful, that's when we started the anesthesia," Rowe explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Rowe said it was just demerol when collagen was injected around the mouth area.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Putnam: Did he use Diprivan for collagen procedure?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Rowe said she wasn't present when Michael had Botox because when she worked at Dr. Klein it had not been FDA approved yet.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m In re-direct, Rowe said Dr. Klein treated MJ for acne, lupus, scaring and vitiligo.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m "My children were never a sacrifice," Rowe said. Rowe left the courtroom sobbing. Judge broke session for a couple of minutes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m "She is devastated, she tried to kill herself, she is devastated. She has no life, she doesn't' feel like she has a life anymore," Rowe said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m "I almost lost my daughter," Rowe said, sobbing on the stand.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m "Their father is dead," an emotional Rowe said. "When I saw the tour come out, the schedule..."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Rowe said at the end of March, April started seeing Paris, talked on the phone every day. "She stayed weekends with me," Rowe testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Rowe said she saw Prince at least once after MJ died. "We don't hate each other," she said. But she's closer to Paris.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Rowe learned about MJ's death on the radio, she was driving home.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Chang asked how MJ looked in the This Is It movie. "He looked horrible," she responded.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Chang: Do you still love them?
Rowe: I'm so proud of them.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 18m Chang: To have a full childhood?
Rowe: Yes
Chang: Did you think MJ would be a good father?
Rowe: I never questioned that he wouldn't be.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 18m Rowe: I wanted him to be a father, to have everything the didn't have growing up, to experience it with this own children.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 18m Rowe: Michael wanted to be a father. I dind't sign on to be a mom. I loved him very much, and I still do.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 18m Chang: Did you make a decision to leave the children with Michael?
Rowe: Yes
C: Ever regretted it?
R: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19m "I was pregnant, he was picking clothes for his own children," Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19m Rowe: Before anybody knew I was pregnant with this baby, he was shopping for clothes, would donate some times.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19m "He was amazing," Rowe said about MJ as a father. Rowe told Michael Paris was going to have him around her little finger.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19m Chang showed pictures of Dr. Metzger and Rowe/MJ in Sydney during wedding, MJ, Debbie and kids.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20m "I had a headset over my stomach so baby could hear him, so the baby knows who you are," Rowe described. "They knew his voice."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20m Rowe said she asked Michael to make two cassettes for Prince, she wanted the baby to hear his voice.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21m Chang asked if he bought all the books around. Rowe said he was a big reader anyway. "He wanted to be the best dad he could be" she recalled

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21m "I said you're going to be a dad," Rowe said, sobbing. "He was so excited, he ran out in the tarmac screaming."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21m He always had crews with him to document stuff, Rowe said. She took him for a ride and took him to a tarmac and said I need to talk to you.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 22m Chang showed Rowe and MJ in a Harley motorcycle, he was with make-up on.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 22m Rowe said she told him he could still be a father. They talked about it and then... it happened.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m Rowe: He was devastated after the divorce, I was truing to help. What does make you the happiest? 'I want to be a father' he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m Chang: Did you have discussions he wanted to be a father?
Rowe: He loved kids, he did.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m Chang: During the 20 years you were friends not habit of diprivan or any anesthesia to sleep?
Rowe: Not that I know

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m "He didn't like being high," Rowe testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m Chang: Based on your observations on that tour, Mr. Jackson wasn't asking medication to get high?
Rowe: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m Chang: He used IVs for fluids, vitamins while on tour, right?
Rowe: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 24m The doctors were there on 2 occasions, with all the same equipment. Sometimes Michael would get IV for dehydration after shows, Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 24m Chang: And secutity brought them up?
Rowe: I don't believe anyone ever come up without security.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 24m Chang: Did he ever say bring the equipment in the dark in the middle of the night through an alley?
Rowe: He came through the front door

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25m It took some planing to put the equipment together, Rowe said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25m This was 5 months after Prince was born, Rowe recalled. "They told me that anything more than 4 hours they had 2 physicians."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 28m Rowe said doctors were very detailed kept medical records. If she didn't feel comfortable, she wouldn't have allowed treatment to take place

by **Admin** Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:05 am

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Dr. Slavit had been working with Bob Taylor for about 10 years prior to doing physical with MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m "I would require permission from MJ to do that (test for opiates or drugs)," Dr. Slavit said. There was no need at the time to test him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m "I was never provided records," Dr. Slavit said. He never contacted Dr. Murray directly to get medical record.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Dr. Slavit: My understanding my job was to find out if he was able physically to perform.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Dr. Slavit charges:
$6,000 for service
$3,000 lab and supply
$5,849 for travel and hotel

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Dr. Slavit gave copy of the record to the Coroner pursuant to legal subpoena. Feb 2009 was the only time Dr. Slavit talked to MJ.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m "In the course of reviewing his past medical history there were no surgeries reported," Dr. Slavit said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Q: Did you notice any track mark on MJ when you examined him?
A: There were none
Q: Did you look his arms?
A: Yes
Q: His legs?
A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Height was self reported also. He told Dr. Slavit he was 5 foot 9. Dr. Slavit received full payment for the physical on Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m Temperature was 98 degrees.
Weight: 127 lbs - MJ told him that's what he weighed.
Q: Based on your examination, it appeared accurate?
A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m When asked if he felt in good physical condition, Dr. Slavit said MJ responded yes. "That was his answer."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m MJ told Dr. Slavit he was last examined a couple of months prior for routine. Dr. Murray was identified as personal physician.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m Q: Was there any significant change of weight?
A: No
The question regarding excessive use of drugs or alcohol was circled 'no'.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m There are questions on the form that were filled out during the physical. Dr. Slavit said MJ was the only source of the responses.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m At the time of the examination the form was filled out with Michael Jackson. We reviewed the form before he signed it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m Q: Did MJ ask you to prescribe any medication?
A: No
Michael Jackson signed the forms. Dr. Slavit said he saw MJ sign it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m There was an acknowledgment of the need for rest or avoidance of exhaustion.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m MJ visited his laryngologist for minor issues, seemed proactive and attune to his health.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Dr. Slavit wrote MJ was in good health, good diet and exercise. He interacted with his doctor for routine check ups.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Dr. Slavit: He denied any prior medical problem except for the cold.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Q: Did he say he had trouble sleeping?
A: He didn't say he had trouble sleeping, he didn't say he had insomnia..

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Q: Was he lucid?
A: Yes
Q: Speech slurred?
A: No
Q: Tired?
A: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Q: Capable of control of his health?
A: Yes
Q: Why candid?
A: That's the perception I got

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Form notes MJ was mature, open and candid with Dr. Slavit.
Q: Was he capable of making decisions?
A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m He used MJ's left arm, and took the specimen himself to the laboratory. Blood work result was normal consistent with MJ being in good health

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Q: Did you have difficulty drawing blood?
A: I had a little difficulty drawing blood.

by **Admin** Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:09 am

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Michael Jackson, Debbie Rowe, Prince and baby Paris. pic.twitter.com/koxA1CDj9D

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Debbie Rowe and Prince. pic.twitter.com/WYAOHjePC4

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Debbie Rowe and Prince. pic.twitter.com/zBLa0ZySSM

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Michael Jackson, Debbie Rowe and baby Prince. pic.twitter.com/wlKsrmGDjy

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Wedding day of Debbie Rowe and MJ. Dr. Metzger was the best man. pic.twitter.com/NUmq0x4gf3

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h The Harley ride where Debbie Rowe told Michael Jackson he was going to be a dad. pic.twitter.com/3IVWr4TLRf

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h We'll bring you the complete coverage of his testimony as soon as we can. Remember, judge does not allow live tweets.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Dr. Green will opine on conflict of interest. He's called to counter Dr. Gordon Matheson testimony earlier in the trial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Dr. Gary Green, AEG's expert, sports medicine expert, is the next witness. Attorneys told the judge he's expected to last all day.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h That ended the testimony. Court was adjourned and jurors ordered to return today at 9:30 am PT.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Q: Did Mr. Jackson deny anything you requested of him?
A: No

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Q: If you had any suspicion that MJ was using opioids or other drugs improperly, you'd you have tested him?
A: I may have

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Dr. Slavit was at MJ's house between 2.5 and 3 hours for the physical.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Dr. Slavit said he examined inside MJ's nose and how it looked.
Q: And did it look ok?
A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Dr. Slavit did not know where the rumors came from.
Q: Was it clear to you that MJ had plastic surgery?
A: Yes

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Yep! Just out of twitter jail.... ugh!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Q: Did Mr. Taylor tell you MJ was being badly mauled in the press in England and that it was getting difficult to obtain insurance?

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Note: All pictures are also in the court pictures thread Smile

by **Admin** Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:16 pm

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Dr. Green: We see addicts and they go to multiple sources, I could only speculate why MJ was seeking Propofol from more than one person.

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On Apr 19, MJ asked Cherilyn Lee to find someone to give him Propofol, Bloss said. He asked if it'd be consistent w/ Murray there same day

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Bloss: Do you have information MJ was seeking Propofol from people other than Dr. Murray?
Dr. Green: Yes, Dr. Metzger and Cherilyn Lee.

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Bloss: If a nurse says there were no equipments at the house 4 Murray to inject MJ w/ Propofol on Apr19 is that inconsistent?
Dr. Green: No.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m
Bloss: Do you recall MJ asked Cherilyn Lee to give him sleep aid?
I don't recall dates, need to see the testimony.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m
Dr. Green said on April 19, 2009, Dr. Metzger went to Carolwood to meet MJ. He said MJ asked for sleep medication.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m
Dr. Green said he was not accurate when he mentioned Chase said Dr. Murray was at Carolwood in March of 2009.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m
Bloss showed Kai Chase's testimony, where she said she didn't see Dr. Murray as much in April, was there about 3 times a week.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m
"I'm sure many doctors have great deal of debt, possibly more than that, and still practice medicine in an ethical manner," Dr Green said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m
Bloss asked how about a doctor whose house is about to go on foreclosure, $600,000 in outstanding debt, behind child support payment?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m
Bloss: Is $150,000 a month a large incentive?
Dr. Green: It depends on the situation.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m
"Financial rewards do not obligate physicians to compromise their medical judgment," Dr. Green opined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m
AMA says: "It's important to recognize that sufficient large incentives can create an untenable position for physicians."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m
a) Large incentives may create conflict of interest that can in turn compromise clinical objectivity.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m
Code of Ethics of American Medical Association.
Bloss showed opinion of "Financial Incentives and the Practice of Medicine."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m
"Regardless financial incentive, it does not take away from physician's obligation to the patient," Dr. Green explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m
Bloss: Would you agree large incentives can create conflict of interest?
Dr. Green: Yes, financial incentive can create conflict of interest

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m
Jacksons' attorney William Bloss did cross examination.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Judge broke session for lunch. Trial to resume within 30 minutes. Stay tuned!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Dr. Green said Dr. Murray disregarded the Hippocratic oath, standard of care and probably violated prescribing rules.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"Physicians are under the obligation, regarding any interest, to put their patients first," Dr. Green expressed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Dr. Green: Physician's duty to the patient is paramount, and that's the number one priority and what doctors should always be concerned.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Dr. Green said Dr. Matheson wanted AEG to go around MJ and find another physician for him.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"Continuity of care is a very important principle," Dr. Green explain. That way the doctor knows the history of the patient.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Dr. Green: AEG Live looked at other possibilities and in response MJ, a competent adult, said no, I want my own doctor.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"In this case, MJ chose Dr. Murray as his own physician and wanted him to go on tour," Dr. Green opined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"Patients and competent adults have the right to choose their own physician," Dr. Green testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"Not only do I disagree with Dr. Matheson's conclusion but the manner of which he came to his conclusion," Dr. Green said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Dr. Murray re-ordered Propofol on April 28, 2009, Dr. Green said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Dr. Green: I think it's very clear the relationship of Murray-MJ pre-date AEG being involved. Furthermore, his use of Propofol pre-dates AEG

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Dr. Green pointed out that all of that happened before AEG Live had any knowledge of Dr. Murray.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
On April 6, 2009, Dr. Murray ordered Propofol to be shipped to LA, the expert said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Kai Chase testified Dr. Murray was frequently at Carolwood house in April, May and June 2009.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Timeline per Dr. Green:
2006 -- Dr Murray begins treating Jackson family
January 2009 -- Dr. Murray treated Prince and Michael in LA

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"There's no evidence of Michael Jackson use of Propofol to AEG," Dr. Green opined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"If Dr. Matheson is correct and terms of contract influenced Murray's behavior, he started treating him way before contract draft" he said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
First draft of the contract was June 16. "Dr. Murray's behavior in this case and care to MJ began way before that," Dr. Green explained.

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The expert said that in all the meetings, there were several people present, which supports the fact there was no secrecy.

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He said family/friends may tell him things that the patient wouldn't.

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Dr. Green said that it's not unusual for family/friends to call him to talk about a patient he's about to see.

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"I believe that it further demonstrates Dr. Murray's independence from AEG Live."

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Dr. Green pointed out Dr. Murray asked to change the contract to limit him to perform services requested by artist, not producer.

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"He asked to keep money for the entire money should he be discharged mid-month," Dr. Green testified.

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The expert said Dr. Murray requested Kathy Jorrie to change the contract to have more independence.

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Dr. Green said Dr. Murray refused to provide his own medical records of MJ to insurers. MJ denied releasing the medical history.

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"If Dr. Murray were taking orders from AEG Live, he'd not have told people to stay in their lane," Dr. Green opined.

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"AEG was not controlling Dr. Murray," Dr. Green said. "He acted independently from AEG."

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"If there was any secrecy was between Murray and MJ," Dr. Green opined. "There's no evidence AEG was aware Murray was giving MJ Propofol."

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"That was selected by Michael Jackson," Dr. Green opined. "There was no secrecy, he requested Dr. Murray to go on tour."

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Dr. Green: Dr. Murray knew AEG Live would be advancing the money on behalf of MJ, MJ knew AEG would advance the money.

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Dr. Green: It was to be signed by Dr. Murray, MJ and AEG Live. There was nothing hidden.

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"There's no secret arrangement," Dr. Green said. "In this situation, everything was out in the open."

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- Evidence does not support claim that AEG Live directed medical care
- Timing of contract drafts doesn't support Matheson's claims

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* Refused to provide medical records to insurers
* Requested contract changes to increase independence

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* Advised MJ not to go to rehearsal
* Told tour personnel to "stay in their lane"

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- No secret arrangement - Jackson requested Dr. Murray
- Dr. Murray demonstrated independence from AEG Live

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2- Facts Don't Support Alleged Conflicts
- Health interests of MJ, Dr. Murray and AEG Live were aligned

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"It was Dr. Murray's interest to keep MJ healthy to have him perform the shows," Dr. Green opined.

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Bina: If there were no tour, do you have any reason to believe Dr. Murray would be paid $150,000 a month?
Dr. Green: No, I do not.

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"AEG Live needed a healthy MJ to be in good health, this was a long tour," he expressed.

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"Dr. Murray wanted MJ to be healthy, it's his ethical obligation and he wanted him to complete the tour," he said.

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"MJ wanted to remain healthy to do the tour," he said.

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Dr. Green explained that in order for conflict of interest to exist, each party had to have different interests.

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Dr. Green explained the Jackson family claim there was conflict between AEG and Murray to influence the type of medical care used with MJ.

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Dr. Green said one of the articles Dr. Matheson used is entitled "The Unique Aspects of Sports Medicine," and this is not the same.

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Dr Green said plaintiffs hired Dr Matheson to say that this was a sports medicine analogy. "It's just not the correct analysis in this case"

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Dr. Murray was not allowed to share any information wit AEG Live or anyone else, the doctor testified. There's no release form to share info

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Doc said in team sports player, coach, team, public have the right to information from doctor. In private practice/this case only patient.

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The expert said there's no evidence Dr. Murray has been asked to treat anyone else but MJ and perhaps the children.

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At one point, AEG explored other options and MJ wanted his physician, Dr. Green testified.

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Dr. Green: MJ brought Dr. Murray to the attention of AEG Live and MJ insisted to bring the doctor on tour.

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"In my private practice, I'm selected by the patient." Dr. Green said. "They choose whether they want to come see me or not."

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Dr. Green said in team sports, the team or school chooses the doctor. In primary care practice and in this case, MJ chose the doctor.

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1- Sports Medicine is the Wrong Analogy
A: Who selects doctor?
Team Sports: Team/School
Primary Care Practice: Patient
This Case: Patient

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Dr. Green said through experience doctors learn very quickly how to manage conflicts and have the patient's best interest first.

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"Doctors have ethical obligation to do no harm to the patient," he said. "There's conflict of interest on a daily basis between doc/patient"

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Dr. Green said this case is much closer to regular doctor-patient medicine than sports medicine.

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3- Conflict of interest alleged did not lead to poor medical care
4- Dr. Matheson disregarded key principles to reach his conclusions

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Dr. Green's opinion:
1- Sports medicine is the wrong analogy
2- Facts don't support conflict of interest alleged by Dr. Matheson

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Bina asked if he agrees with Dr. Matheson this is a conflict of interest case. "I disagree with Dr. Matheson completely," Dr. Green said.

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There will be about $25,000 to $30,000 to be billed, total approximately $50,000.

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The doctor said he spent about 115 hours in this case, bills $500 per hour. He said he's billed approximately $20,000 to $25,000 up-to-date

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Dr. Green reviewed extensive material, deposition and trial testimony in this case.

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The expert said he was surprise being called in this case, since it has nothing to do with athletes.

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Dr. Green worked with O'Melveny & Myers before in a case involving Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

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Dr. Matheson testified earlier in the trial on behalf of plaintiffs.

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Dr. Green said he has similar or greater experience that Dr. Gordon Matheson, since Dr. Matheson doesn't have private practice.

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Dr. Green said before athletes know what medical problem they have, they want to know when they can play next.

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He said he always wanted to be a family doctor and treat patients for all their lives.

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Dr Green said sports medicine is somewhat like regular medicine. "Doctors should do no harm; doctors should do what's best for the patient"

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Dr. Green is the team physician for the US Soccer team and Pepperdine, worked in Olympic Games of 2002, MLB, NCAA, was UCLA team physician.

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He's also a clinical professor at UCLA and a partner at primary care group, sees general patients as well.

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The doctor conducts research on behalf of MLB at UCLA pathology department regarding enhancement drug use.

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He oversees medical care of athletes both in minor and major leagues of baseball, also sees general students at Pepperdine, not just athetes

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He's currently the head team physician for Pepperdine University and is the medical director performance enhancement drugs for MLB.

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Dr. Green is a doctor board certified in internal medicine and sports medicine.

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AEG called their next expert witness, Dr. Gary Green. Attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina is doing direct examination.

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After jury entered the room, plaintiffs attorney Brian Panish announced he has rested their case in chief, subject to conclusion with Ortega

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Day 71 ofJackson family vs AEG trial -- Week 16, is under way. We're on lunch break now.

by WeAreTheWorld. Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:06 am

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We hope to see you on Monday for full coverage of the trial. Have a safe and great weekend everyone!

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Judge adjourned trial. Attorneys ordered back at 10:45 am PT on Monday, jurors at 1:30 pm PT. Dr. Green returns then.

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Dr Green said he was asked to analyze if this is a sports medicine case and whether or not conflict of interest led to his poor medical care

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Dr. Green sad he's not sure what Phillips meant when he asked "is it chemical or physiological." "I can only speculate."

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Dr. Green said he considered all the evidence in the case, since everything is important.

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"Only that AEG was concerned about what was going on and were doing something about it," Dr. Green said.

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Bloss asked if that statement was material to his opinion.

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Bloss showed another part of the "Trouble at the Front" email with Phillips saying "Tim and I are going to see him tomorrow."

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"I do not see anything to change my opinion of conflict of interest in this case," Dr. Green said.

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Dr. Green said he thought Phillips meant that based on Kathy Jorrie's testimony regarding the check she did.

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Bloss talked about "this doctor is extremely successful, we checked him out."

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Panish: I'm sincerely sorry
Dr. Green: No harm, no foul

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Back in the courtroom in front of jury:
Panish: Your honor, I'd like to apologize to Dr. Green for that laugh.
Dr. Green: Apologies accepted

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Judge called Panish out, he apologized. Judge ordered all the attorneys in her chambers for quick sidebar.

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Bloss asked about another Phillips' email. Panish laughed out loud when Dr. Green responded he recalls testimony but preferred reading again

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Bloss talked about the lengthy conversation Randy Phillips with Dr. Murray. He asked if he knew for sure what they talked about. He said no

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Dr. Green said he believes Dr. Murray was board certified but it had lapsed in 2008. Murray does not have psychiatry training.

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Dr. Green said several people raised questions about MJ's psychological situation.

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"I think you have to put this entire thing in context and the context is that he was concerned with Mr. Jackson's health" Dr Green explained

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Bloss: Because you didn't understand what this meant, this email didn't influence you, correct?

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Dr. Green said this email showed Ortega was concerned with MJ's health. He doesn't know what the director meant by "doctor in to the fold."

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Bloss showed the email where Ortega said "now that we brought the doctor in to the fold."

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"Dr. Murray wasn't keeping records at this time, but I believe MJ was under his care," Dr. Green said.

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Bloss showed Bugzee's email saying MJ was basket case. "Only information that MJ was not in good health on June 19," Dr Green said about it

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Dr. Green didn't receive the "Trouble at the Front" email chain until after he was involved in the case.

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"There was nothing to suggest in the meeting that Dr. Murray was in danger of losing the gig." Dr. Green said.

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"That certainly could create pressure in Dr. Murray to make an outburst like that," Dr. Green said.

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Dr. Green: It could be that Dr. Murray could be feeling pressured he was giving unethical and illegal drugs.

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Bloss asked if it could be that Dr. Murray was feeling pressured by AEG.

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"Assuming that Chase's recollection is correct, I think there are many interpretations of Dr. Murray's outburst," Dr. Green said.

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He would give a little more weight to Gongaware since he was present for the full meeting.

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Dr. Green said Chase wasn't present for the entire meeting, but Gongaware was.

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Mr. Gongaware had a much different account of the meeting than what Chase testified, Bloss said.

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"I read the testimony of of Ms. Chase and that was her perception," Dr. Green said.

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He asked if Chase said Dr. Murray bursted out of the meeting and said "I can't take this s**t anymore."

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Bloss asked about the meeting at Carolwood's house on June 16, 2009, which they called "intervention."

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Dr. Green said he did not ask to meet with Gongaware or Phillips to try to get more information about the email and their intent.

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"No, it would not sway my opinion one way or the other," Dr. Green said.

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Bloss asked if "we want him to understand what's expected of him" mention in the email influenced his opinion.

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"You need to look at the context of this email, you can't just pull out a word here or there," Dr. Green said.

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Dr. Green said he doesn't believe either Gongaware or anyone else at AEG told Dr. Murray "it's AEG, not MJ, who's paying his salary."

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"The fact that it was never communicated to Dr. Murray let me believe it was not influencing," Dr. Green explained.

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Dr. Green: One is Mr. Gongaware's testimony, and further reviewed evidence this was never communicated to Dr. Murray.

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Dr. Green: Now that I responded differently is because I had additional information.

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Bloss asked in deposition whether "AEG, not MJ, paying his salary" email did not influence his opinion, correct? "Yes," Dr. Green responded.

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Dr. Green said in his deposition that nothing in the email supported his opinion. He said he testified differently at deposition.

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Bloss: Even the part that says "AEG, not MJ, paying his salary?"
Dr. Green: Yes.

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Bloss: Is this email material to your opinion?
Dr. Green: Yes, I feel that it supports my opinion.

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"I believe Mr. Gongaware didn't recall this email," Dr. Green said. "Mr. Ortega said he didn't understand what it meant."

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Dr. Green said the best person to ask about this email is who wrote it/received it. Since he's neither, it'd speculation to interpret it.

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Email from Gongaware: "We want to remind him that it's AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary."

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"This just shows Dr. Murray independence to advise MJ not to attend rehearsal," Dr. Green said.

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Bloss showed email from Ortega to Gongaware on Jun 14, 2009 saying "Are you aware MJ's doctor didn't permit him to attend rehearsals today?"

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Dr. Green charges AEG $3,000 per half day of work, $6,000 for full day.

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Dr. Green said he cannot testify to the exact date because Dr. Murray kept no records to maintain it secretive.

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Bloss: Was Dr. Murray giving MJ Propofol on April 19th and 12th at Carolwood?
Dr. Green: Yes

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"It's not inconsistent somebody seeking drugs from several sources" Dr Green said. "Particularly with that drug which wasn't easy to obtain"

by **Admin** Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:32 pm

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss asked about meeting nurse Cherilyn Lee had w/ MJ at some point. She testified on April 19 MJ complained of having trouble sleeping

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said that everyday after June 16, 2009, Dr. Murray knew about that provision. And that included June 24 and 25, the say MJ died.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Then on June 16 Dr. Murray received first draft of the contract agreement with provision that if tour were canceled the agreement would too.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss said on Jun 14 Gongaware's sent email saying "we need to remind him it's AEG, not MJ who's paying his salary"/"what's expected of him"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "Yes, in very small part," Dr. Green responded. "Part of my responsibility is to return athletes to play," he said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss asked if the reason is because there could be conflict of interest between team physician and his responsibility with the player.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr Green testify he/MLB can deny a team physician's request to put a player back on the field after a concussion. The union doc also opines

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green responded the reason is because there's competition. "It's not about trusting the team's physician, it's about the competition."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss asked if the reason team does not have unilateral power to have athlete return to play is because of potential conflict of interest.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h He is responsible to make sure the latest rules regarding concussion is followed. He said it's a very controversial area.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said his position is more of an administrative position with MLB, he doesn't see the patients.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Policy was adopted in 2010 or 2011. Since then, MLB has to review team physician's actions before an athlete is allowed to return to play.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss showed Dr. Green MLB's policy on assessment and management of concussion on ballplayers.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said he agreed that the greater the value the more probable its influence is. He highlighted the word 'probable,' though.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "I agree money can corrode professional responsibility but I'm not sure it's the most corroding thing in conflict of interest" Dr Green said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said psychologically speaking, he agrees with the statement above.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h they tend to unconsciously and unintentionally weight evidence is a biased fashion."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss showed a report, which summarizes physicians' statements. "When individuals stand to gain by reaching a particular conclusion,

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said he's not aware there's way to rate the most powerful conflict of interest. He believes financial interest can create conflict

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green: In my experience, however, I've seen physicians do all sort of things for reasons other than financial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss: Do you agree that financial interest is the most powerful corroding force in a conflict of interest?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss showed another article "Principles for Identifying and Assessing Conflicts of Interests."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss: Do you agree with that?
Dr. Green: Yes, that's a reasonable definition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h concerning a primary interest (patient's welfare or the validity of research) is unduly influenced by a secondary interest (financial gain)"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Another article Dr. Matheson brought to his deposition: Conflict of interest refers to a "set of conditions in which professional judgment

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss asked if the agreed with the definition above. "I agree that it's a reasonable definition but not the only one," Dr. Green said.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "Conflicts of interest are defined as circumstances that create a risk that professional judgments or actions regarding a primary interest..

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h The definition Dr. Matheson testified about conflict of interest is not the same formal definition Dr. Green relied upon.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Matheson brought an article entitled "Conflict of Interest in Medical Research, Education, and Practice" to his deposition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h After reading his depo, he recalled he had not received it until after the depo and did not consider this email in his conclusion.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green said he's not sure if he was given copy of this email to review before or after his deposition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss showed email from Hougdahl saying he has watched MJ deteriorate for the past 8 weeks and the singer needed a shrink to get thru all.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss asked about Phillips saying it was not the right time to introduce a new person into MJ's life after psychiatric help was suggested.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green said he's aware of two people feeling MJ needed psychiatric help and some people being afraid MJ could die.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "I have no way of resolving which way is true," Dr. Green explained about different accounts of the meeting.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "Mr. Phillip testified under oath, I credited his opinion," Dr. Green said. He said he also credited other testimony as well, such as Ortega

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss played video depo of Dr Green. He said he accepted as true Phillips' accounting of what happened in that meeting to issue his opinion.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green: It still does not take away Dr. Murray's responsibility with the patient.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss: Even if Mr. Phillips threatened to cancel the tour, that doesn't change your opinion?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "It was ultimately up to Dr. Murray to make decisions in the best interest of his patient and he didn't do that," Dr. Green opined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "There's seems not to be any evidence that Dr. Murray was pressured," Dr. Green said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "There's not requirement that Dr. Murray would have to say that," Dr. Green opined.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss asked if Dr. Murray said 'sorry, I can't tell you what's wrong because of HIPPA privacy laws'?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr Green said when Phillips asked what was wrong with MJ it could be Murray was following privacy laws not disclosing MJ's medical condition

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr Green: In my opinion in this case the health interests were aligned and there were no conflict of interests that led to poor medical care

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "There's a little bit of dispute as to what really happened at that meeting," Dr. Green testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss: Do you recall Dr. Murray telling AEG to "stay in your lane" and that it showed independency?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss showed email chain "Trouble at the Front" and meeting on June 20, 2009. "There were several accounts of that meeting," Dr. Green said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green: Part of it yes, but I may have seen other evidence leading me to that conclusion.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss: Is the basis of your conclusion that AEG Live did not direct Dr. Murray's action the testimony of Phillips, Gongaware and Ortega?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss: You said your opinion was based on Phillips, Ortega and Gongaware, correct?
Dr. Green: That was part of it.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss: Was there any fact inconsistent with your opinion?
Dr. Green: Not that I can recall at this time.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "In this case, my opinions are the same as I stated the other day," Dr. Green expressed.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss asked how Dr. Green reconciled any inconsistency in testimonies. He said he looked if any of them relate to his opinion in the case.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green said he has not seen any evidence showing Phillips put pressure on Dr. Murray.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h "There's no evidence that Mr Phillips put any pressure on Dr. Murray in that phone call," Dr. Green explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green: Phillips wasn't able to recall the specifics content of the phone call, but he wrote email that could indicate of what was spoken

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green: Yes, it appears from Mr. Phillips' testimony he does not have a full recollection of the phone call.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Bloss: Do you remember Dr Matheson testifying that it didn't appear Phillips had full recollection of phone call between Phillips-Murray?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21h Dr. Green said over the weekend he reviewed his testimony from Friday, reviewed materials provided earlier and met with AEG attorneys.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 56m For the latest, watch @ABC7 Eyewitness News at 4pm, 5pm, 6pm and 11 pm PT, or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 56m We'll bring you complete coverage of this afternoon's session as soon as we can. Remember, no live tweets, per judge.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m The attorneys, however, were ordered to appear in the morning to argue about future witnesses.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m Katherine Jackson is not present in court. There is only afternoon session today for the jurors.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 57m AEG expert Dr. Gary Green is back on the stand. Jacksons' attorney William Bloss will resume cross examination.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 58m Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Day 72 of the Jackson family vs AEG trial, Week 17, is to get underway shortly.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h We hope to see you tomorrow for full coverage of the trial. Have a great evening everyone!

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Next witness is Rhoma Young, HR specialist as AEG's expert. She's expected to last all day, most likely.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green is then excused. Jurors are ordered to return at 10:00 am PT tomorrow, attorneys at 9:30 am PT.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss pointed out that when Dr. Murray told Ortega to "stay in your lane" if Phillips said anything. He said no.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "That's more than I make at Pepperdine as the team's physician," Dr. Green said. "By a lot." But he pointed out it's not his only job.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h In re-cross, Bloss asked if $150,000 a month is large incentive, is it not?
Dr. Green: In general, yes.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr Green said he reviewed testimony Murray was off on Sundays. Apr 19 when MJ asked Lee to find a doctor to give him Propofol was Sunday.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green: The emails I reviewed really showed concern on behalf of AEG and I did not see anything AEG was directing the type of care.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h He said Dr. Klein had seen MJ about 30 times between March and June and in no case he mentioned psychological problems.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said Dr. Klein saw MJ on June 22. He reviewed the medical records.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green testified that, as a competent adult, you can't make anyone go see a doctor.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h The expert said the fact that Dr. Murray told Ortega to "stay in your lane" proves the doctor was independent.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said email Phillips wrote showed they were very concerned about MJ's health, proved his opinion that parties shared same interest

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h The expert said MJ requested Dr. Murray and suggested the payment of $150,000 a month.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr Green said the statement further proves his opinion. "Not only was MJ the patient informed of financial incentive, he created it as well"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bina asked about the article: "Patients must be informed of financial incentives that could impact the level or type of care they receive."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bina asked about a doc shown on Friday about conflict of interest. Dr. Green said the document is a guidance for physicians on what to do.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "The more information I found, the more it strengthen my opinion," Dr. Green testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green: My practice is that I present them to the attorneys and whatever they want to do with that is their business, not mine.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green: I considered the evidence and I came to my own conclusions.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green said there has been cases where he gave opinion that the attorneys ended up not using in their cases.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green: I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Matheson. If I had agreed with Dr. Matheson's opinion, I'd have communicated it to AEG.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr Green attended almost all of Dr Matheson's deposition. He said he wanted to hear him saying his opinion as opposed to reading it on paper

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h He was also asked to review Dr. Matheson's testimony. Dr. Green listed the depositions and declarations he reviewed prior to his own depo.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h In re-cross Dr Green said he was retained in the case on March 4, 2013 to consider his expertise in sports medicine and conflict of interest

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Based on MJ's physical condition in June 2009, Dr. Green said he has no reasonable opinion whether the tour should've been postponed or not.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "I agree that the longer the tour went on, the more financial gain Dr. Murray would have," Dr. Green testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green agreed Dr. Murray's contract termination could be done by MJ and multiple ways by AEG Live unilateral.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green testified his understanding is that AEG Live was going to advance money to Dr. Murray on behalf of Michael Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss: Have you ever seen a three-way relationship between a physician, a patient and a third party?
Dr. Green: No, nothing like this.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "Not knowing Dr. Murray and not hearing his testimony, I cannot say with certainty why Dr. Murray committed this crime," Dr. Green said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss: Is that true you cannot say why Dr. Murray acted ethically in this case?

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "Yes, and I believe he (Det. Martinez) testified it was Dr. Murray's decision," Dr. Green said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss asked if getting easy money, $150,000 a month, created an incentive to bend the rules.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss asked if Detective Martinez suspected financial motive for Murray to violate Hippocratic oath. Dr. Green said that's what he testified

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "I had a general impression that he was in debt," Dr. Green said. He believes his understanding was based on media reports on Dr. Murray.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Bloss: Does Dr. Murray's financial status matters at all to your opinion?
Dr. Green: No, it does not.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h "There could be conflict of interest in any case," Dr. Green said. Bloss asked if having a sole patient increases the risk. He said it could

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green has no experience in the music business, has never worked in concert or for promoter of concerts.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h Dr. Green is a clinical professor at UCLA, approximately 16 hours/week. He said there are clinical and tenure tracks.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20h MJ asked Lee to find a doctor who would give him Propofol. Dr. Green said this happened 13 days after Dr. Murray ordered Propofol.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m There's no payroll taxes deducted from pay of independent contractors, the expert said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7m Employees have deductions and benefits, such as taxes, insurance, unemployment insurance, disability insurance, etc, Young explained.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Independent Contractors:
- Required licenses or permits
- Fully insured
- Indemnification provision
- Obligations laid out in contract

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Independent Contractors:
- Previous Working Relationship with AEG Live
or
Known to the Artist
or
Known in the Industry

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Employees:
- Credit check if hired for financial position
- Obligation based on employment relationship

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Employees:
- Check reference and work history
- Criminal background check is warranted

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8m Bina showed chart of AEG Process to Check Out People.
Employees:
- Job posted
- Interview and resume
- Verify employability

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m The State of California does not check financial background of applicants to issue medical licenses, Young said.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m They also go thru very thorough education background.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m In order to obtain a medical license, Young said the doctor submits to a fingerprint scan, which goes thru Department of Justice.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10m Young testify for independent contractors you talk about price, timing, scheduling, license and there's contract prior to beginning of work.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m The expert said you can get personal referral or look for professional organizations to find independent contractors. There's no application

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Young explained independent contractors are usually sourced through different method and different way.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Young said there could be several interviews and done by different ways, like by one person or group of individuals.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 11m Application process is the initial screening process of a potential employee, Young said, if person meets the basic qualification.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m One is issue between exempt and non-exempt, independent contractor and employee, Young testified.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 12m In the world of HR, there are certain basics that are covered in workshops, since there always is confusion.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m Young explained there's are different levels of human resources. One aims for perfection and the basic, which includes reasonable practices.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m Young described her extensive background in the business, the different places she has worked and education.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m "I'm not an advocate," Young said. "Because I testify for both sides, I can't contradict myself. My reputation is about being balanced."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m She said she tried to testify half and half for plaintiffs and defendants and has refused work when the balance is off.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Young said her bill is close to $70,000 as recent as yesterday. In court, she said she testified 95 times, or maybe more.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Her hourly rate for research is $350 per hour and $450 and hour for testimony and deposition.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m Young reviewed an extensive list of documents in this case. She's worked in this case close to 200 hours.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m When you're hired there's a supervisor, job title, set of expectation, training, how they are paid, employee benefits, insurance, Young said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m General there's a defined way to find the employees, the screen process, layers of screen to determine who's more qualified and who is not.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m She also does investigations and has helped companies hiring employees. Young said an employee is an individual hired by a company.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Young explained part of her job is to help the organization to develop a plan to perhaps be more consistent with the written word.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m Young said she looks at the whole policy and procedures, all documents and how the company operates.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m In the music industry, Young said she worked with the Symphony, Ballet and Opera in the Bay area.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m She also worked with small organizations with less than 100 employees.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m She has worked with Facebook, Microsoft, IBM, LinkedIn, Roche, UC Med Centers, private hospitals, Kaiser, Chevron.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Young explained she's been in the business going on 40 years. She has her own consulting company in the Bay area.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m Young said she was asked to look at the practices and policies of AEG Live, their independent contractors and testimony to see if consistent

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m AEG called their next witness, Rhoma Young. She's a Human Resources consultant.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 17m Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Day 73: Jackson family vs AEG trial -- Week 17, is underway. We're at lunch break.

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